Saddam Hussein has been executed!

[Arcademan]

Arab language media reports Saddam Hussein has been executed shortly before 10 pm EST in Iraq.

Yahoo News on execution (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061230/ts_nm/iraq_dc_56)

[AnimeDudde]

It didn't take until 2010, wow :eek: I wonder how long until they capture Osama, if at all. Unless he's already dead, which would be interesting xD

[Rokko]

it's sad to say that many so well known people are passing away all of a sudden. well i guess Saddam might have deserved it though.

[fennikusu134]

my family had a party, not even kidding, lol; ex-marines, they're a trip.

I'm glad he got his.

[kairi990]

No party here.

My sympathy goes out to the Iraqi people. It's only going to get worse for them... :(

[WhistleBlower]

I agree, I heard somewhere that most Iraqi people say that even their darkest days under Hussein was not nearly as bad as what it is now with all the foreign troops.

[TonightMidnight]

I saw on the news that the Iraqi people were having parties and parades. Before and after the execution. They seemed pretty happy to me...

There was even dancing...

[Nekochii]

No party here.

My sympathy goes out to the Iraqi people. It's only going to get worse for them... :(
I don't get how Saddam being dead is going to make the lives of the Iraqi people worse than it was before. It's not like Saddam did anything while he was alive to make their lives any better.

[ArriahNicolas]

Because Saddam more than likely have loyalist, they see him as a martyr. Now, there's possibly enraged also, so more boom down the streets of Baghdad.

[Winged Demon]

yay! he is dead! :D :) I hope he goes to hell for what he has done!

[kairi990]

I saw on the news that the Iraqi people were having parties and parades. Before and after the execution. They seemed pretty happy to me...

There was even dancing...

That's the media bending the truth.


I don't get how Saddam being dead is going to make the lives of the Iraqi people worse than it was before. It's not like Saddam did anything while he was alive to make their lives any better.


Oh, and the situation is a hell of a lot better for them now right? :rolleyes:

Have you ever played "Jenga"?

[Gaby]

Thankgod he is dead...i think they should have showed images of his body on the internet.

[Aratos]

Thankgod he is dead...i think they should have showed images of his body on the internet.

there's a video of his execution ion the internet. What more d'ya want? give the man some dignity.

This aint gonna do much for sunni-shia relations, mehtinks.

[Nekochii]

yay! he is dead! :D :) I hope he goes to hell for what he has done!
Muslims don't have Hell. They have Jahannam. :p

[Aratos]

My copy of the quoran says hell...

[Nekochii]

Jahannam basically means Hell, but it's actually different from Christian Hell where you're usually damned for eternity.

The Qur'an also says that some of those who are damned to hell are not damned forever, but instead for an indefinite period of time. When Judgement Day comes, the formerly damned will be judged as to whether or not they may enter into Paradise.

[WhistleBlower]

Me: Did you think the Americans would really do it?
Friend:Of course they would they are wicked.
That is part of a conversation me and my friend had they day he was killed. Do you agree? Disagree?

[Aratos]

Yes, but they still have a hell for those who may not enter paradise. And the dead who were non-believers and hypocrites will be whacked between the ears with maxwell's silver hammer. It's good stuff so it is.

Me: Did you think the Americans would really do it?
Friend:Of course they would they are wicked.
That is part of a conversation me and my friend had they day he was killed. Do you agree? Disagree?


Um, disagree entiurely? I mean, he was executed by the Iraqis, not the Americans. On top of which I don't see the Americans doing anything evil.

[Iblis]

Jahannam basically means Hell, but it's actually different from Christian Hell where you're usually damned for eternity.

Christian Hell is being dead, not being damned for eternity.

[Aratos]

no, christian hell's seperation from God.

[AnimeDudde]

I believe people become butterflies after they die, and the evil ones dont get past the caterpillar phase. I should start my own religion now :)

[WhistleBlower]

http://evil-guide.tripod.com/career.html
You seem to fit Cult Leader than, Mabye even Spammer.

[Aratos]

I believe people become butterflies after they die, and the evil ones dont get past the caterpillar phase. I should start my own religion now :)

Funnily enough, the church of clockfaced hs an opening for a prophet. Interested?

[AnimeDudde]

Funnily enough, the church of clockfaced hs an opening for a prophet. Interested?

Sure, but I'll need to brush up on my leadership skills :cool:

[YamPuff]

Isn't Christian hell being burned eternally in hell fire? >.> Whatever. Muslim hell is just that, among other things, however you can go to hell for a certain amont of time to atone for your sins and then go to heaven afterwards (as I remember the least amount of time to spend there is 40 years). Or you can stay forever.

It was wrong, point blanc, to execute someone on the Holiday like that. They could have waited a day. Nothing good will come of this.

[Aratos]

Yeah, but whoever accused the new Iraqi government of thinking with thier heads instead of their hearts?

Besides, no good'l come of it anyway. Maybe if they'd exiled him it'd've been a different story, but...

As for the christian hell, only if you interpret the book of revalation literally, which most folk don't seeing as it's all symbolic. It's, uh, generally accepted that the lake of fire's more a metaphor from complete and utter seperation from god for all eternity, which is the reason for the wailing and gnashing of teeth: you're denied all that is good in the world, and it's all your own fault for not listening. That's the thing about apocalyptic writing: you don't take it literally.

[YamPuff]

Its not really about having a heart. Its just something that shouldn't be done. Its supposed to be a time of forgiveness and joy and celebration. Just 24 hours. Not long to wait. Did they go out of their way to make problems?

Oh, so that's if ya take it metaphorically? Conveniant. :p

[Aratos]

Well if you don't take the revelation metaphorically we can expect to see a great whore and a dragon, as well as a massive huge plague-beraing commit and a beast with three heads that sets itself up as prophet and forces anyone who wants to trade and not be executed to worship it and have its mark implanted on their head or hand, follwoed by a huge war in the middle east between the forces of good and evil. Y'can't jsut pick which bits are symbolic and which are accurate representations you know.

And I wasn't meaning having a heart. I was pointing out that they were obviously driven by hatred and anger and want of vengenace towards him. Not to mention the fact they kept insisting they weren't going to psotpone it at all for any reason does sorta suggests they were making a point. At least that's what it looks like from this angle.

Napoleon got exiled you know, and he authorised some pretty impressive crimes against "human rights".

[ArriahNicolas]

Well if you don't take the revelation metaphorically we can expect to see a great whore and a dragon, as well as a massive huge plague-beraing commit and a beast with three heads that sets itself up as prophet and forces anyone who wants to trade and not be executed to worship it and have its mark implanted on their head or hand, follwoed by a huge war in the middle east between the forces of good and evil. Y'can't jsut pick which bits are symbolic and which are accurate representations you know.

And I wasn't meaning having a heart. I was pointing out that they were obviously driven by hatred and anger and want of vengenace towards him. Not to mention the fact they kept insisting they weren't going to psotpone it at all for any reason does sorta suggests they were making a point. At least that's what it looks like from this angle.

Napoleon got exiled you know, and he authorised some pretty impressive crimes against "human rights".Didn't he had to be exile twice?

[Aratos]

Yes, but Napoleon was the greatest strategist in the history of the world. Sadaam wasn't.

[ArriahNicolas]

One could say the same about Hitler, but made the mistake of inading Russia in winter /offtopic.

[YamPuff]

And I wasn't meaning having a heart. I was pointing out that they were obviously driven by hatred and anger and want of vengenace towards him. Not to mention the fact they kept insisting they weren't going to psotpone it at all for any reason does sorta suggests they were making a point. At least that's what it looks like from this angle.

Napoleon got exiled you know, and he authorised some pretty impressive crimes against "human rights".
Not sure what Napoleon has to do with anything, but the timing will help his transformation into martyr.

[Aratos]

One could say the same about Hitler, but made the mistake of inading Russia in winter /offtopic.

Hitler wasn't a bloody brillaint general. Napoleon was.

@YamPuff: my point is that exile would not only've prevented him becoming a martyr, but woud've been a much more fitting punishment in many ways.

[YamPuff]

I see. I guess that's true.

[Aratos]

Hey, here's an interesting fact I jsut dug up. Aparently 93 Iraqis died in atatcks by islamic terrorists on saturday. And how many deaths in iraq caused international moral outrage? Clue: It wasn't someone who did nothing to deserve it.

[YamPuff]

*tries to look as though she understood*

[Aratos]

Oh, it's simple really. 93 innocent victims who did no harm to anybody as far as I'm aware get blown up by terrorist bombers "in the name of Islam", for no reason other than that they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nobody bats an eyelid. On the same day a tyrant guilty of crimes against humanity was executed after being fairly tried for his crimes, and there was much moral outrage and debate as to whether it should've happened, whether it was a fair trial, why he shoudl've beene xecuted a differnt day and so on and so forth. Aparently the guilty bloke is more deserving of sympathy than the innocent.

[YamPuff]

*tries to look as though she understood*

[Aratos]

Eh, forget it. I'm ranting at the media again.

[YamPuff]

Sorry about that; I keep accidentally double-posting when my net connection messes up. :o

Its really all hype. Saddam is a big name, big news. People die every die, get murdered, blown up all over the world in every country bevery single day. Not everyone is served justice. People get desensitised to it after a while.

[Aratos]

Desensitised, or just ignore? That's the problem. Just seems to me we pick and choose what pay attention to.

Particular as iraqbodycount.net's gonna add those 93 to its lsit as proof the "American forces" don't care about civilian casualties.

[YamPuff]

Its both. People don't care. Get used to it.

Besides, whatever happened with you fancy mental disorders and blame it on the parents? And repentant sinners? Suddenly its perfectly ok to excecute someone and terrorists are so awful we should blame them to pieces? But man who kills his child over a game is ok because he was addicted?

Anyhoo, the Iraqi government was responsible for excecuting Saddam. They should have taken a stand, made a statement, said 'Look here, you're a rotton person, but we aren't going to descend to your level. We're going to show you mercy, we're going to do the good thing and let you go today on a day of forgiveness.' But no. They jumped on him. Bad move, morally and politically.

[Aratos]

Considering sadaam was ranting about how "God" would punish the Americans and so on and so forth right up till the point he was hung, I don't think he was particularly repentant, somehow.

Anyway, I'm not saying it was ok to execute him, enither am I stating that terrorists are evil etc etc. What I'm saying is that religeon has a lot to answer for.

No, wait, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that people have their priorities mixed up. The world's in a pretty ****ed up state right now, and that's becasue people choose to ignore the real problems and concentrate on the high-profile stuff. A lot of folk hated sadaam. The executioner was picked from volounteers who were victims of his regime. They got their revenge. Good for them, I hope they enjoy it while it lasts and with any luck they'll feel pretty bad about it later.

Folk are being killed. Every day. By nutters who claim they'r justified and blow themselves up without a second thought. In IT we have a way of dealing with things called "seperating the problem from the cause". Problem: the aforementioned unnecesary deaths. Solution: something that isn't happening.

[ArriahNicolas]

No matter how terrible a person is, they at least deserve a dignified death. At his final moments he was taunted, that's why people are getting so upset about it.

If I had my way, I'd skin him with a dull knife.

[Aratos]

Taunted, sure. But considering the speech he was making...

They cut him off mid-way becasue they coudln't stand it. whassat tell ya?

[ArriahNicolas]

"Did you hear the cracking sound?"

[Aratos]

hmmm?

[ArriahNicolas]

I was referring to when the hung Saddam, his neck broke.

[YamPuff]

Taunted, sure. But considering the speech he was making...

They cut him off mid-way becasue they coudln't stand it. whassat tell ya?
An awful lot. And it well further his matryrdom. It'll look bad in history books I say: 'And he was killed, on the holiday, hanged mid-sentance.' *shakes head* Looks bad.

Frankly, I don't see why people are so obsessed with just terrorists. There are terrible peole everywhere. People who kill, rape, steal, molest children, etc. Crime rates are soaring in certain countries, horrible poverty and many, many, much worse things happening in others, but what do we focus on? What the media wants us to focus on. Sure, 93 innocent people were blown up. But I'm pretty sure 93 innocent people were killed somewhere else due to poor and insufficient police forces, or some other reason and nothing being done about it there either.

[Aratos]

you want a list of the number of folk who got killed in Iran last month for being part of an unauthorised religeon?

The point isn't that it's happening. The fact it's happening is bad. The problem is, it happened _in iraq_ and Sadaam got hung _in Iraq_, and only one of them caused any moral outrage.

[YamPuff]

Because terrorists are yesterday's news. Besides the fact that I am not morally outraged at Saddam's death...I'm terribly disappointed in the government. I already know what to expect from terrorists.

[Aratos]

That jsut proves my point.

[Aratos]

*bump*
doule-post becasue of large time difference.

Anywho, here's n interesting one. According to the Times, the three guards who taunted Sadaam and leaked a video onto the internet have been arrested and charged for being disrespectful of the dead. Although the government minister who made his own video hasn't.

Oh, and aparently they executed him a few hours before the start of the festival, which is presumably their excuse. Says here they also pressured the US into allowing the execution earlier than they'd've liked. I'm starting to worry about the Iraq government.

[Nekochii]

That video hurt my eyes. The guy who was taping it should really learn how to use a camera.

"Did you hear the cracking sound?"
I heard more of a loud crash.

[Aratos]

Shame on you, watching it. Have you no respect for the dead?

Anyway, the picture was awful becasue he was using a mobile phone, not a camera.

[Nekochii]

Shame on you, watching it. Have you no respect for the dead?
I was just curious. :(

[Aratos]

Even so! It's someone dying! That's not nice. Not nice at all.

Besides, hanging's are so dull. Now if you want instant gratification, a beheading's ideal. The electric chair's probably quite good too. Then again, I suppsoe it's better than lethal injection. Now _that's_ dull.


Dislaimer: I'm joking. I'm not that sick.

[Nekochii]

Even so! It's someone dying! That's not nice. Not nice at all.
Have you seen the video yet?

Besides, hanging's are so dull. Now if you want instant gratification, a beheading's ideal. The electric chair's probably quite good too.
Don't forget lapidation. ;)

[Aratos]

lapi-what?

And no, i've not seen it! All of it. Most of it. Anything other than the first 15 seconds.

Look, what I do is inadvertantly download horrible videos and watch them because I don't wanna have let all that downlaod time go to wase. And becasue it never hurts to see stuff wwhich is morally wrong, particularly if you need to express disgust at the world in print regularly, like I do. Or did anyway. Old habits, ahrd to break etc. Going onto youtube and watchign Sadaam being executed would be pr-meditated. And sadistic. And petty. And other things which I'm not.

So to sum up: no I have not watched sadaam being hanged. Nor do I intend to.

[Nekochii]

lapi-what?
Stoning to death. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning)


Going onto youtube and watchign Sadaam being executed would be pr-meditated. And sadistic. And petty. And other things which I'm not.

My sister actually showed it to me on eBaum's World, which probably isn't any better.

Besides, if there's anything more sadistic and petty than watching Saddam's execution on YouTube, it's uploading it.

[Aratos]

Ye's but two 1's don't make a 0. Unless you're using binary.

[Nekochii]

I saw the full footage earlier today. It's pretty disturbing. They showed a close-up of him hanging by the rope. Scary stuff I tell ya. :eek:

[ArriahNicolas]

Ye's but two 1's don't make a 0. Unless you're using binary.

What about subtraction?

I seen the video, but I guess I desensitized to violence sense the day my grandmother forced me to watch a slave movie.

I heard the had a footage of his execution at CNN website, but stopped before he was dropped.

[Nekochii]

I seen the video, but I guess I desensitized to violence sense the day my grandmother forced me to watch a slave movie.
You watch S&M porn with your grandmother? :p

[Aratos]

Slave videos? Pah. There ar emore distrubing things.

[Nekochii]

Like scat. Eww!!! >.<

[Aratos]

Yes, scat is horrible. That's probably the worst of the lot. I mena, you think death's bad, y'think CP's bad, then y'discover there's such thing as scat. I dunno which is worse to be honest, scat or full dismemberment. Maybe torture even. But those three are the big ones that really make y'sick of humanity.

[ArriahNicolas]

You watch S&M porn with your grandmother? :p
XDDD That would've screwed me over. Not a movie about african slaves escaping. So many people hunged and the man strangling...*grabs blanky goes to happy corner and plays with teddy.* So softly and cuddly Yay!