Console War

[tsukasa]

Sony has shown us nothing for the PS3. There is no way to prove that it has better graphics or worse graphics at all. Until Sony shows actual in-game footage, and not some video mock-ups of what their games might look like, I say hold your judgement.
Plus, after losing that lawsuit against Immersion, for using stolen tech in the PS2 and PS3 controllers, they are going to have to come up with a new controller design, inside and out. Thats going to push the system back at the least 2 months.
The Blu-Ray drive is already pushing it back to late November-mid-December.
Then theres the fact that you will not be able to use rented games on the system, or borrow a friends. They are encoding the system and games, so that they can't be used except on the system that first uses it - kind of like certain Dreamcast games.
I also read somewhere that the future of Sony is riding on the PS3. The PSX did horrible in Japan, and that is why it was never brought out here. Sony is constantly losing money, and taking barely anything in.
Microsoft released 1.2 million 360's each month at launch.
Sony is going so release less than that at launch, and is also releasing the system in multiple countries on the same day.

Well now, lets see.
First Nintendo decides not to partner with Sony, creating their biggest competitor. Then Nintendo sells Rare to Microsoft. Which has made only one game (if that) for the X-Box. Nintendo Laughing all the way to the bank on that one. Now Sony can barely keep it's head above water, cause of all the problems that they are encountering, which wouldnt have happened if Nintendo stayed partnered with them.
It seems like Nintendo can predict the future, cause they seem to know how and when, what they do, will eventually screw everyone!:D

Nintendo vs Atairi = Nintendo
Nintendo vs Sega = Nintendo
Nintendo vs Sony = Nintendo
Nintendo ve Microsoft = Only time will tell.
- My money is on Nintendo.

[sensei-]

Dude what are you talking about?? The Xbox is not even a competidor on this business, and Sony is on top of the console war, and if we talk about losing money, Microsoft lose like $200 for each Xbox 360 they sell. And why send so many 360 to stores if they are not even selling?? Never seen the sales chart bro? Nintendo is always on second in sales but whitout them there will be no video games consoles today.

[tsukasa]

Nintendo was at the top of all the charts last year, for sales from the Gamecube, the DS, and the GBA's.
They constantl out-sold Microsoft and Sony.
I was talking about the initial release of the 360 - and how if the PS3 comes out this year, that Sony plans on releasing a lot less PS3's than
Microsoft did with the 360's, and Sony plans on doing Japan, America, and England with only a set number of systems total. Less than 1 million units worldwide. Not 1 million units per country.

What do you mean that Microsoft is not a competitor?
The only country that both the X-Box and the 360 do well in is America.
Is that what you mean?

[Rikka]

You seem to think that the different consoles are just compeatators like two equal people running in a race. If you take into account who each system is aimed at you have a different picture. Nintendo is aimed at kids, Microsoft more to harder gamers, and sony to the general population.

As for Sony losing money consider they are a global company. PS2 systems sell everywhere unlike x-box which is primarily a North American System.

Also, if I recall when the PS2 came out people where having dbouts as well about the new technology included in that system called DVD. But now it's so commonplace. Sony is a bit more versetile then you give them credit for as well.

[tsukasa]

Um, no, the media makes it out that Nintendo is geared towards kids.

[Alphonse Elric]

i love sony!!! its my friend!!

[tsukasa]

From Family Guy:
Trailer Man 1: I want a turn with the sex-box
Trailer Man 2: You cant have her, and her name is Sony!!

LOL :D

[Alphonse Elric]

From Family Guy:
Trailer Man 1: I want a turn with the sex-box
Trailer Man 2: You cant have her, and her name is Sony!!

LOL :D
yah!!!

[penguinminor]

Hmm ... only time will tell.
But I have a feeling that Xbox 360 is going to fall behind in the console race when the PS3 and Nintendo's new console are released.

If you think about it, the PS3 and Nintendo's 'Revolution' console will both be bringing something new to their fans.
Sony has finally added an online network that will be worth playing, Nintendo is completely changing the way we play games, but has the 360 brought to the plate?
Nothing.
An improved system with improved graphics and an improved Live network.
It's basically the same package as the original Xbox, only a lot shinier.

[tsukasa]

Don't forget to mention that Nintendo has been very smart about releasing thier info. Because Sony came out and blatently stole Ninteno's idea for the downloading of previous games. Nintendo is far from releasing all thier neat little secrets.

[penguinminor]

Don't forget to mention that Nintendo has been very smart about releasing thier info. Because Sony came out and blatently stole Ninteno's idea for the downloading of previous games. Nintendo is far from releasing all thier neat little secrets.

True.

The only right move that Microsoft has made with the 360 was having it released long before the other consoles.
Unfortunately, this may also prove to be their downfall.
The upside of releasing a console first is that they get the jump on the market. High sales from consumers who want to try the newest, latest thing.
On the downside of things, it give the competition that much more time to see what the 360 offeres and gives their competitors that much time to out do the the 360.
Not only that, but once the PS3 and new Nintendo console are released, they'll be the newest latest thing, and people are going to want to buy that over a 360.

[tsukasa]

True.

The only right move that Microsoft has made with the 360 was having it released long before the other consoles.
Unfortunately, this may also prove to be their downfall.


DreamCast redux anyone?

[penguinminor]

DreamCast redux anyone?

The only difference is that the Dreamcast is actually awesome.
It was way ahead of its time, which was unfortunately its demise.

However, even though the console is no longer in production, games are still being released for it in Japan. :)

[franchan]

Nintendo's not aimed for kids, per se, it's just that it produces more kids games than the other competitors. I guess Nintendo has a lot more colourful, non-serious games, as opposed to the hyper-realistic, devoid-of-humour Sony and Microsoft games. I wonder if Sega will ever rise again in the console market...

[Aratos]

Now you mention it, Sega make hints about releasing a new console.

As for Nintendo, they make mainly family-orientated games. It wasn't until relatively recently they released anything M rated, hence the idea they're a kids company. Miyamoto himself claims that he's more interested in making games he can sit and enjoy with his children.

[penguinminor]

Now you mention it, Sega make hints about releasing a new console.

As for Nintendo, they make mainly family-orientated games. It wasn't until relatively recently they released anything M rated, hence the idea they're a kids company. Miyamoto himself claims that he's more interested in making games he can sit and enjoy with his children.

That would be sweet if Sega released a new console. :D

I've always loved Nintendo and the games the produce. If you think about it, it makes more sense to make a game that everyone can enjoy as opposed to a violent M rated game.
I think most gamers have to get over being 'hardcore' and try something new.

[sensei-]

I think it would be cool for Sega to join Nintendo, together they can make a kick-a$$ console with a nice online interface. Imagine Sonic on Super Smash Bros.!!!!!!!

[penguinminor]

I think it would be cool for Sega to join Nintendo, together they can make a kick-a$$ console with a nice online interface. Imagine Sonic on Super Smash Bros.!!!!!!!

That would be pretty awesome
Sonic in a Smash Bros. game ... too cool. :cool:

[sensei-]

Too cool or too fast?? Anyway I think Nintendo is going to be soported by third parties companies this time. The controler Idea is even better than the DS!!!

[Aratos]

Where do people get this "Sonic should be in Smash Bros" idea from anyway? I mean, Sonic is a sega character. Every character in Smash Bros is a Ninty original. It wouldn't exactly fit in now, would it? A smash Bros style game featuring sega characters'd be bettr imo.

[penguinminor]

Where do people get this "Sonic should be in Smash Bros" idea from anyway? I mean, Sonic is a sega character. Every character in Smash Bros is a Ninty original. It wouldn't exactly fit in now, would it? A smash Bros style game featuring sega characters'd be bettr imo.

That's why he said that Sega and Nintendo should get together. ;)

[Aratos]

You mean allowing Sonic games to appear on consoles belonging to their biggest rival isn't getting together enough for him?

[penguinminor]

You mean allowing Sonic games to appear on consoles belonging to their biggest rival isn't getting together enough for him?

Sega is currently publishing games for all platforms.
They have partnerships with Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, but they're not in any kind of close knit relationship with any one company.

Sega and Nintendo teaming up to work together on a game ... that would be cool. Especially if it were a Smash Bros. style fighting game including characters from both Sega and Nintendo's history.

[Aratos]

True, but my point is that a few years ago that situation would have been totally unthinkable. Sega and Nintendo were the big leaders, and the idea of Sonic on a Nintendo console was a huge joke.

[dannylammy]

Hmmm reminds me about the relationship between Microsoft and Apple.
Apple went under because they did not release their source to the public... Microsoft made the brilliant move of giving out their source to the public so that they could make their own programs...
A few years later Microsoft owned Apple.
I don't know what will happen between the three consoles that rule the console gaming empire right now... im mainly a PC-Gamer.

[Aratos]

Wait a second. MS own Apple? MS gave out source to the public? Good lord. When did all this happen?

[sensei-]

Ms own apple? WTF? What will happen to this world??

[Aratos]

Oh. I see. Owned as in pwnd.

[sensei-]

Microsoft sucks man

[Aratos]

Microsoft gave us DirectX and don't you forget it. For all the rubbish they've done, they've done a lot of good things and they're responsible for some of the stuff we take for granted. Sure they're capitalist pig-dogs with a competee lack of morals and they should give more open source, but Bill gates is a genius. You have to admit it.

[sensei-]

Well, If we talk about genius, there is Miyamoto from Nintendo who gave US the consoles like we see them today so dont you forget it!

[Gaara]

ahhhh the playstation 3 will dwarf all i cant wait!!

[Aratos]

Agreed. But a PC isn't a games console. They weren't originally designed for games, and they can do things consoles can't. Same as consoles have stuff PCs don't.

[sensei-]

Yup they are two different markets. I dont see a PC as a Next-generation thing because is always like an upgrade.

[penguinminor]

Agreed. But a PC isn't a games console. They weren't originally designed for games, and they can do things consoles can't. Same as consoles have stuff PCs don't.

Agreed.
I would never consider a Mac or a PC as a gaming machine. I just don't use my computer for that kind of thing anymore.
There's no point when all of the truly enjoyable games are on consoles.

[franchan]

Sega is currently publishing games for all platforms.
They have partnerships with Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, but they're not in any kind of close knit relationship with any one company.

Sega and Nintendo teaming up to work together on a game ... that would be cool. Especially if it were a Smash Bros. style fighting game including characters from both Sega and Nintendo's history.
I think a Sega vs Nintendo game (fighting, racing, even an rpg - *pictures some really funny/interesting things for an rpg like that*) would be cool. I'm a Nintendo girl, but I've always loved Sonic and co.

[franchan]

Someone should realease an updated Amiga... now that would rock! Hahahaha. XD

[tsukasa]

I will never turn against Nintendo, they always come out with the most amazing stuff.

now if only they would release a tri-force collectible

[Kaoru]

Hmmm reminds me about the relationship between Microsoft and Apple.
Apple went under because they did not release their source to the public... Microsoft made the brilliant move of giving out their source to the public so that they could make their own programs...
A few years later Microsoft owned Apple.
Mircosoft owned Apple?! When did this happen? I have never heard that before, and being an avid Mac user I feel insulted. Microsoft is an evil and must die! Now I know Apple fell in some hard times in the early 90's in compition with Microsoft but after they got Steve Jobs back in 1997, they have been on a steady climb back up. Now if Mircosoft, or at least that whore Windows, goes down, everything will be great. (should I elaborate??)

(sorry if I'm off-topic)

[franchan]

I think it was established earlier that they meant owned as in pwned. Relax.

Although they did buy some shares of/invested in Apple. Non-voting shares or something.

[Kaoru]

I think it was established earlier that they meant owned as in pwned. Relax.

Although they did buy some shares of/invested in Apple. Non-voting shares or something.
Relax? RELAX! I CAN NEVER RELAX! Joking.

But I was just trying make that point clear. I just hate microsoft with a passion, and for someone to say that they owned Apple for any amount of time, well that just made me want to scream!

Sorry.

[franchan]

Has you ever thought that many things you like (including anime) are made with computers using microsoft, and may have not been possible without it.

Heheh (I likes to provoke). ¬ _,¬

[Kaoru]

Has you ever thought that many things you like (including anime) are made with computer's using microsoft, and may have not been possible without it.

Heheh (I likes to provoke). ¬ _,¬
heheh (likes to argue)
I do belive anime is made by people, not computers. So if certin anime shows are animatied on a Microsoft machine, so be it. But not all are animated on Windows OS tho. Unless Microsoft has monopoly on animation too.

[LordD]

Unless Microsoft has monopoly on animation too.
SSSSssshhhttt!! Not so loud; you might give Bill Gates a good idea :p

[franchan]

Do I hear a patent being applied for?

[franchan]

heheh (likes to argue)
I do belive anime is made by people, not computers. So if certin anime shows are animatied on a Microsoft machine, so be it. But not all are animated on Windows OS tho. Unless Microsoft has monopoly on animation too.

( me too :P )
Of course they're made by people, but few modern anime is hand-drawn. They're not just animated on computers, they're digitally inked, coloured, etc.

[Kaoru]

Well, yea. The color kinda goes with being animated on computers, but even then, they still aren't all made in Windows machines.
Do I hear a patent being applied for?
What patent?

[tsukasa]

She was being sarcastic

[Kaoru]

Oh really...I find it hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic, especially when it's typed.

[franchan]

A patent on animation. ;)

[Aratos]

Hmm. Lessee, what have MS done for us?
Well, until the mid 90's 3dcards were all different. You had the wrong card, you couldn't use the program. You needed an exact system. MS made directX, which did away with that.
MS made the visual studios programming lanaguages. They may not be my languages of choice, but that doesn't mean they aint pretty good.
Ooh! Ooh! MS made an OS which is actually accessible to the computer iliterate and doesn't crash every five minutes. It may not be as secure as linux, but it's newbies friendly.
There's also the little matter of free antivrus, antispyware and firewall software. It may not be pro quality, but it mostly works.

What has apple done for us? Last time I checked, word proccessors that crash a lot and tacky looking computers with a crap mouse and a load of overpriced products with i in front of them. Personally, I don't like either company but the fact remains that Microsoft have done a lot of good for computer users. Of course I'm totally against patenting, and all my programs are open source etc so naturally I go for GNU/Linux based OS's.

[franchan]

I agree, I couldn't live without microsoft products... plus I think Bill Gates is allowed to be as conceited as likes, and pretty much do whatever he wants. We owe him our souls (hmm saying that out loud sounds dubious) now. :P

[Aratos]

Oh. he's not actually that conceited. A bit of a capitalist, yes. Autistic, probably. But not conceited. I get the impression he honestly believes he's doing us all a favour.

[Onime_no_Kyo]

I agree, I couldn't live without microsoft products... plus I think Bill Gates is allowed to be as conceited as likes, and pretty much do whatever he wants. We owe him our souls (hmm saying that out loud sounds dubious) now. :P


Yap, but at least he's trying and doing something for us... Xbox Live is great... Xbox was better than PS2 or GC... and he promised that 360 will be released in November 05 it he released it... And this system is really great... his biggest problem is games, there's not a lot of good games... right now things changed, and developers are making games for Xbox and PS2, exepct japanese ones...

Kutaragi from Sony is the biggest liar in video game world... we don't have any info about PS3 except the console will be released in November 06... Sony doesn't care about gamers or developers, the reason why PS2 was and is better is because of games... that's the only thing, and that's a reason why M$ will probably lose another fight in this war.

maybe nintendo revolution will make revolution XD

[penguinminor]

True, but my point is that a few years ago that situation would have been totally unthinkable. Sega and Nintendo were the big leaders, and the idea of Sonic on a Nintendo console was a huge joke.

(I know this is going back a bit, but ...)

Yep, that's true. Hell, years ago Sega enjoyed as much popularity, if not more, than Nintendo.
However, the situation has changed in recent years and the idea of Sonic on a Nintendo console is now a reality.

Maybe we won't have to wait too long to see Nintendo and Sega teaming up to develop a new game. :)

[sensei-]

Thats what I said jejejeje, maybe but just maybe they will team up to do a kick-a$$ console.(I know I mention this before but the idea is way cool).

The xbox 360 is a powerful machine but will LOOSE THE BATTLE!!!. They might be big in computers but Sony and Nintendo owned the gaming world.

[Kaoru]

MS made an OS which is actually accessible to the computer iliterate and doesn't crash every five minutes. It may not be as secure as linux, but it's newbies friendly.
Crashes every 5 minutes? Haha, your funny. What Mac OS are you talking about? Mircosoft's Windows 98 (and I am sure XP has the same problems), from when I had it, sucked. It always would either have some kinda problem or it would crash. Now Mac OS X hasn't me failed once. And Macs look tacky? Maybe to you but they're better then the boring PCs. Being someone who has used both, I think the Mac OS is way better then Windows when it comes to being user friendly.

[penguinminor]

Crashes every 5 minutes? Haha, your funny. What Mac OS are you talking about? Mircosoft's Windows 98 (and I am sure XP has the same problems), from when I had it, sucked. It always would either have some kinda problem or it would crash. Now Mac OS X hasn't me failed once. And Macs look tacky? Maybe to you but they're better then the boring PCs. Being someone who has used both, I think the Mac OS is way better then Windows when it comes to being user friendly.

I have to agree with you on that 100%.
Mac's don't crash. Applications on the Mac can quit unexpectedly, usually third party applications, and the issue is (90% of the time) with that third party software.
I work for Apple tech support, and most of the calls I get have to do with third party software, usually Microsoft Office.

[Aratos]

1)It's tacky. It looks horrile. PCs sit out of the way and you aint forced to look at them.
2)98 was bad, admitably. Less said about ME the better. However, 95 worked. 2000 worked. 3.1 was great. XP's fine when you get used to it.
3)I find macs crash just before you hit the save button. Every bloody time. They're hard to navigate, the mouse sucks and the layout burns my eyes.

But then what do I know. I'm a programmer, not an average home-user.

EDIT
I work for Apple tech support, and most of the calls I get have to do with third party software, usually Microsoft Office.

And what kind of dingaling installs an MS program on a mac exactly? On a lighter note, here's a thought for you: Third party software pwns. Some people like it. I myself only use open source stuff. If the OS has a problem with third-party, it's a crap OS.

[Kaoru]

1)It's tacky. It looks horrile. PCs sit out of the way and you aint forced to look at them.
2)98 was bad, admitably. Less said about ME the better. However, 95 worked. 2000 worked. 3.1 was great. XP's fine when you get used to it.
3)I find macs crash just before you hit the save button. Every bloody time. They're hard to navigate, the mouse sucks and the layout burns my eyes.

But then what do I know. I'm a programmer, not an average home-user.

I have never had a Mac crash, so I certianly have never had one "crash before I hit the save button". Now I have had Microsoft Word freeze up when I hit save, which can be VERY annoying.
And hard to navigate? Maybe it's your mouse, like when I got my Mac the mouse did suck, but I got a better one so it's good as it could be.

[penguinminor]

1)It's tacky. It looks horrile. PCs sit out of the way and you aint forced to look at them.
2)98 was bad, admitably. Less said about ME the better. However, 95 worked. 2000 worked. 3.1 was great. XP's fine when you get used to it.
3)I find macs crash just before you hit the save button. Every bloody time. They're hard to navigate, the mouse sucks and the layout burns my eyes.

But then what do I know. I'm a programmer, not an average home-user.

EDIT


And what kind of dingaling installs an MS program on a mac exactly? On a lighter note, here's a thought for you: Third party software pwns. Some people like it. I myself only use open source stuff. If the OS has a problem with third-party, it's a crap OS.

Microsoft has made many of their more popular apps (such as Office) compatible with Mac OS X.
The issues aren't with the OS, the issues are with the software. The OS is built to read the software, but if there are issues, it's almost always with the software.
Trust me. I've had people call in having an issue with their computer. They remove the third party app, the issue goes away.

[Aratos]

Uhu. Which means the OS is at fault. Ever tried programming software to work with a particular OS? Unix-based and Windows OS's are remarkably similar. With a lot of languages it's simply a matter of compiling the code correctly. A mac on the other hand is different. Half the time the OS causes the software to crash. It's not the softwares fault for being incompatible, it's the OS's fault for not alowing easy compatibility.

[tsukasa]

And hard to navigate? Maybe it's your mouse, :eek:

LMAO

I think they were refering to programs and sub-rutines.:D

[Aratos]

Programs, sub-routines, folders...
But yeah, I did comment about sucky mice. I like having two normal mouse buttons and a scrollwheel with a button built in.

[Kaoru]

Uhu. Which means the OS is at fault. Ever tried programming software to work with a particular OS? Unix-based and Windows OS's are remarkably similar. With a lot of languages it's simply a matter of compiling the code correctly. A mac on the other hand is different. Half the time the OS causes the software to crash. It's not the softwares fault for being incompatible, it's the OS's fault for not alowing easy compatibility.
How is it the OS's fault for 3rd party software not being able to run properly on it??? It's the 3rd party's programers who can 't make it run good.

Besides, I seem to have no problem with 3rd party software on mine.

Oh, and that's why you can buy a normal mouse, almost any USB mouse will work.

[Aratos]

Oh, it's the programmers fault now is it? So what you're saying is, rather than Apple making an OS that's actually easy to develop on, the programmers should start spending more time on cross-platform integration and less time on making good products? Makes perfect sense.

And I don't care if a normal USB mouse'll work. I use ps/2 mice.

[Kaoru]

Oh, it's the programmers fault now is it? So what you're saying is, rather than Apple making an OS that's actually easy to develop on, the programmers should start spending more time on cross-platform integration and less time on making good products? Makes perfect sense.

And I don't care if a normal USB mouse'll work. I use ps/2 mice.
No, the way I see it, the companies that are trying to develop programs for Mac should already know how to, so it's there fault for not knowing how to do it.
That's why most of the time there are differnt versions of popular programs, one for Mac, one for Windows. And all those that I, like from compines like Adobe Photoshop have worked great. That's because they know what they are doing. Now then you get the lower quality software developers who haven't figured out Mac programing to program a good program, so in turn, they make a bad program because they have no clue what they are doing.

What's wrong with USB mice anyway??

[Aratos]

They're slow, and they're more prone to loose connections. It's also much harder to yank a ps/2 out by accident.

And I still say it's Apples fault for making it so difficult to make programs for macs. It's called standerdisation.

[Kaoru]

Slow? By what...a millisecond?

And I still say it's the 3rd party software devloper's fault for not knowing how to program stuff on Macs properly. Plus, why should Apple conform to the Windows way of doing things, if they standardize then what the hell is the point of having 2 diffrent OS on the market? Then one would have the same problems as the other and the only difference would be the visual part.

[penguinminor]

I have to disagree with both of you. It's the fault of neither the developer of the operating system or the developer of the application software; it is the user's fault for not knowing what is and what is not compatible with their system.

;)

[Xhunter]

Nintendos doom has been predicted for so long, and frankly, its not going to happen. The gamecube may not have been the best system, but the money made from it and the handhelds easily puts them at the top with funds. Microsoft and Sony aren't going to subside though. Nintendo knows what good games take, heck they're even taking user opinion now about childish games and such, quite strange. But I have faith in Nintendo.

[Gaara]

i wish nintendo and sony hooked up....the graphics....the gameplay.....it would be awesooome.....but as for the best next gen i would say ps3 hands down

[LordD]

i don't think sony and nintendo would go well together; they both have such a different strategy at the moment. sony does high-end, nintendo chooses gameplay.
Though 'Unle Bill' has a lot of money to waste and may become the biggest player....so maybe one day the japanese game(console)makers will have to unite.

[Aratos]

if they standardize then what the hell is the point of having 2 diffrent OS on the market? Then one would have the same problems as the other and the only difference would be the visual part.

Well firstly, just becasue it makes the programmers life easy doesn't mean it removes differences. As I said before, I can make exactly the same program run on both Linux and Windows through the simple method of using a different compiler, but that's where the similarities end.

Most webpages conform to standardised HTML formats nowadays, which requires sticking to ridiculous rules. The reason? Most browsers are standardised. Different people use different browsers, but they're all standardised. Same goes with newsfeeds. Not to mention media players. See where I'm going with this? The "visual part", as you so nicely put it, is the key. It's called a GUI and it's the difference between buying program A and program B.

[Kaoru]

Uh huh, but like what I said, if the only differnce is the visual part then why have 2 differnt verions? If the lazy programmer only wants to program one program to work for 2 OS, then is is defeating the point of having 2 differnt OS.

Now I can see were your coming from with the part about macs being hard to prgram stuff on. But I think that's a good thing. It stops the average programmer from making his own programs for no resone. I always hated that on Windows when you looked online for like, oh, a good photoshop, then you get like 50 diffent choices, and half sucked. Now sense it's a challenge to program stuff onto Macs, I went to go look up a photoshop for Mac and there were like probibly less then ten, but most were from good compines.

[Aratos]

It's called the hacker ethos. That and the free software foundation.

[Kaoru]

I don't know what this "hacker ethos" is, but the "free software foundation" sound like a bunch of idealists.

[Aratos]

Hacker Ethos: We code for the fun of it. We seek knowledge for knowledge's sake and we make programs becasue we can. As for the FreeSoftware blokes, idealist aint quite acurate. For one thing, it's more freedom of speech than free beer, although you often get the later, and for another they made a little thing called the GNU/Linux operating system. You may have heard of it? It's what most websites are hosted on.

[sensei-]

Dudes im sorry but this is the console war for the next-gen if you want to talk about computers go somewhere else dont ruin this thread.

Well Sony and Nintendo were team up together and the realtionship broke up, because of a problem with the contract that says Sony gets 25% and the Nintendo president at the time was furious and cancel the project Snes-cd (formal name was Play station) thats wikipedia for you.

[tsukasa]

Actually it was called the "Dolphin". and it was going to be an add on for the Snes, and the main component of what eventually became 2 seperate systems - the "N64" and the "Playstation"

[Kaoru]

Hacker Ethos: We code for the fun of it. We seek knowledge for knowledge's sake and we make programs becasue we can. As for the FreeSoftware blokes, idealist aint quite acurate. For one thing, it's more freedom of speech than free beer, although you often get the later, and for another they made a little thing called the GNU/Linux operating system. You may have heard of it? It's what most websites are hosted on.
Wait wait wait, so your telling me that just because you can't make programs for Macs you don't like it. So it's not the OS fault, it your fault, in a way. If you and your little "hacker ethos" people "seek knowledge for knowledges sake" then seek the knowledge of understanding certin stuff instead of being bitter about it. So what if Apple wants there OS closed source, that gives you no right to bad mouth it. Just because you are too lazy to learn how to program stuff on an OS don't make the OS bad. I mean there has to be a way for you people to learn how to make stuff for it but no, you just sit there whining about how it's hard. Is that why you want it "standardized" or whatever, because you are to lazy to learn the other code? That what it seems like to me.

[Kei-Kun]

Wasn't Sony the company that had spyware in their discs or something? All my sony stuff break a lot. Nintendo would probably win any day.

[penguinminor]

Heh! Yesh, some Sony software that was released awhile ago had some kind of spyware thing built into it.
It wasn't malicious, though. Still, quite funny.

[Aratos]

Ok, Dolphin was not the thing that became playsation and N64. The Nintendo Dolphin was the codename given to the Gamecube while it was in development. The NesCD on the other hand was developed by Sony, Nintendo kicked them and got someone else to do it and sony got upset.

Kaoru: You're not a programmer I take it?

[Holy Dragon Sword]

Dudes im sorry but this is the console war for the next-gen if you want to talk about computers go somewhere else dont ruin this thread.

Well Sony and Nintendo were team up together and the realtionship broke up, because of a problem with the contract that says Sony gets 25% and the Nintendo president at the time was furious and cancel the project Snes-cd (formal name was Play station) thats wikipedia for you.

As I remember it, Hiroshi Yamauchi was more afraid of Sony than anything-- Sony's notes in the contract were that they would have exclusive rights to manufactor those CDs. So the PSX was dropped, and Ken Kutaragi was eventually given the chance to revive the project as the(later-known) PS1.

And to clarify the Sony-Sypware deal, it was a rootkit mess-around. Sony/BMG CDs were eventually coded that they'd leave a large rootkit in your compy. Remove it, and Windows crashes, requiring a re-install. It was supposed to curb piracy.

Instead, it made it easier to get trojans.

[sensei-]

News from the gaming world:
R E V O L U T I O N

- Nintendo announced partnerships with Sega and Hudson to offer downloadable Sega Genesis and NEC Turbografx game software on Revolution. This makes the Revolution accessible to over 1000 classic titles to both classic consoles, in additional to NES, SNES and Nintendo 64.

Soon my dream will come true. Nintendo realy kick-a$$, im going all out with them (now more than ever I mean jejeje)

[sensei-]

now here is something anti-Microsoft
Sony revealed some of its plans for PlayStation 3.

PS3 will be seamlessly integrated to the PSP. PS3 can be used as a content server and deliver media from its hard drive to a PSP over the network.
The PlayStation Network Platform will offer basic services for free, and also allow integration of third party servers. This is to encourage makers of MMORPGs to integrate into the network.
The PSNP online stores can be accessed in-game
Sony will offer online communities, including mobile gaming, auctions and packaged media in future
PS3 games will be playable in all region, developers can put all localized versions on a single Blu-ray Disc
A redesigned PS3 controller will be revealed at E3
PlayStation 3 will offer high definite display when PS1 and PS2 games are played.
This news and the revolution news are from a game news website so dont kill me if you dont like it.

[Aratos]

Revolution thing sounds good. However, the PS3 one makes me laugh. Here's the thing.
They're going all Steam. It'll store full games on the harddrive, and allow games to be paid for, downloaded and played without buying the disk. But, and this is a huge but, thanks to the might blu-ray technology games will seal themselves to a specific console. Prevents piracy, yes. But it also means one spilled drink means having to buy your entire game collection again.

What's my source, you ask? gamesindustry.biz probably has all that. It's the only one I can think of off hand.

[sensei-]

We just have to wait and see man, this whole thing is a little confusing (at least I think so). That thing that you say about sealing themselfs to the console is not confirmed, but yes there are hell lot of strong rumors about it. I dont think Sony will do such a stupid thing. I still think Xbox 360 is way dead, I mean it have never been a competidor on this business, Xbox is just a dude with money trying to take over Nintendo territory, specs are awsome but game are all crappy.

[Kaoru]

Kaoru: You're not a programmer I take it?
No, not really.

News from the gaming world:
R E V O L U T I O N
(attempts to stay on topic)
Yea, the new Nintendo counsel will kick ass. And now I find out you can get the old Sega games on it, that makes it all the better.

[Aratos]

Well then, no offense, but please don't try telling me to go learning as if it's all that easy. Learning a programming language takes a lot of time and effore. If that language happens to work one way on one platform and another way on another, you effectively have to learn it twice, and if you get the different versions confused you're in trouble.

And don't mistake my dislike of programming on the damned things for bitterness at being unable to do it. Sure I could learn, but the cons outway the pros. To explain things, here's a program in C.

#include <stdio.h>
int main (void){
printf("hello, world!)
return 0
}

And the same program in Java.
class HelloWorldApp {
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("Hello World!"); //Display the string.
}
}

and finally in AppleScript
display dialog "Hello World"

See what I'm getting at here? It's not as simple as just knowing the rules. It's a huge effort, and that's why standardisation is so important.

[Kaoru]

Yea, I guess your right. I apologize for saying those mean things. Even tho the Applescript looks simpler, I'm no programmer so I can have no opinion on it. I'm just the simple average computer user, and you, your one of those computer programmer people, so our views on this subject will never be seen in the same light.
But I still am a Mac user and I still think Mac OS X is great and theres nothing you or anyone else can say that'll make think otherwise.

[sensei-]

I know about the Sega genesis games on revolution, tonight I saw PC-engine and other one that adding to the list. And its official. Soon my Smash Bros. with Sonic and Shadow will be true jejejejejee:D

[Holy Dragon Sword]

I'd best see some Ristar action on the Revo's Virtual Console, dammit. And some Valis, if the right strings can be pulled.

Rumors are circulating that the re-name for the Rev might be "Nintendo GO", but it's doubtfull despite the images out there. GO could name a billion different things, and I don't think it's a pun on "5"-- the pun would be lost everywhere but Japan. With the policy of universal naming in place, that name would fail.

[tsukasa]

Revolution thing sounds good. However, the PS3 one makes me laugh. Here's the thing.
They're going all Steam. It'll store full games on the harddrive, and allow games to be paid for, downloaded and played without buying the disk. But, and this is a huge but, thanks to the might blu-ray technology games will seal themselves to a specific console. Prevents piracy, yes. But it also means one spilled drink means having to buy your entire game collection again.

What's my source, you ask? gamesindustry.biz probably has all that. It's the only one I can think of off hand.

This is what I've been saying for a long time now, but no one believes me.

[Holy Dragon Sword]

That's because it's highly doubtful Sony would opt to lockout games. Unless they had a fool-proof plan that could allow you to restore entire games, it would be insane to do that. Sega did that with the DC, yes, but that was for specifically online-only titles.

You'll otherwise be hearing an awful lot of complaints...

[tsukasa]

and since when do major money-makers listen to complaints.

[Holy Dragon Sword]

Since people refuse to buy a product and it fails miserably.

Doubly so if it manages a supreme court case. Don't forget that secondhand/used stores are allowed to exist for good reason.

[Aratos]

A story. When the PSP was released, many people complained. One of the buttons was too close to the screen, and it didn't work properly on a lot of handhelds. The solution would have been to make it larger. Sonys reply was something along the lines of "The PSP is perfect. If you don't like it, you are fools." Not to mention Sony stuck a rootkit on their cds.

[penguinminor]

I've heard rumor that the PS3 will have a media burner drive built in, so for the downloaded games it will be possible to copy them to disks yourself.
This is, of course, just a rumor, but I definitely wouldn't put it past Sony.

[Aratos]

I would. It's bad for business, if you think about it.

[Alphonse Elric]

i heard that when the psp first came out that they where having problems with the triangle button... or was it the square button... hmmm... i don't know all i know is that they where having problems with it

[Holy Dragon Sword]

A story. When the PSP was released, many people complained. One of the buttons was too close to the screen, and it didn't work properly on a lot of handhelds. The solution would have been to make it larger. Sonys reply was something along the lines of "The PSP is perfect. If you don't like it, you are fools." Not to mention Sony stuck a rootkit on their cds.

Actually, they suggested that the Square button not be used so much in games. They've since altered it a slight bit to make up for that. No size changes, but the design of the button cover was tweaked. It's a bit more responsive when you hit visual center. I played all the way through THUG2: Remix without any issues.

In fact, one little-known fact is that Sony allows bug fixes and tweaks when Greatest Hits versions of games come out. I don't think even Nintendo does that.

[Aratos]

Well they definately called people idiots for wanting a repair at first.

[Gaara]

can't wait to transfer movies from my ps3 to my psp:D

[sensei-]

can't wait to transfer movies from my ps3 to my psp:D

I think thats a very good idea and also downloading PS1 games to your PSP. I mean Revolution will have clasic games at home and with the PSP you can have them on the go. Very good job Sony, keep copying Nintendo and something good will happen jajajajaja

[bandageplus]

You seem to think that the different consoles are just compeatators like two equal people running in a race. If you take into account who each system is aimed at you have a different picture. Nintendo is aimed at kids, Microsoft more to harder gamers, and sony to the general population.

As for Sony losing money consider they are a global company. PS2 systems sell everywhere unlike x-box which is primarily a North American System.

Also, if I recall when the PS2 came out people where having dbouts as well about the new technology included in that system called DVD. But now it's so commonplace. Sony is a bit more versetile then you give them credit for as well.



Dude what are you talking about? Nintendo is not only aimed at kids in fact Nintendo has always been aimed for every one. It always has been, its one of there advertising gimmicks. Nintendo has been on top over Sony and Microsoft just look at the last year alone it made more than both of them in overall units sold and more units sold daily the Nintendo game cube and Nintendo DS have every one beat. And to say that Xbox is for the hardcore gamers is such a horrible generalization simply because the Xbox mite have some things better it will never beat out Nintendo in the game department!!



( and sega should make a come back !! i love sega maybe nintendo & sega should join each other !)

[Gaara]

just throwing this in but please no fanboys, you can favor a console(as i do the PS3) but don't just say a console is better than another for no reason or if you haven't even played the console.

[Aratos]

I've played all three consoles XBox has a cack controler, ps2 has cack graphics and a lack of original content.

[sensei-]

PS2 lack of original content?? man in what world do you live?

[Aratos]

I write about games. I've got the entire megadrive back-catalogue sitting on my desktop. I've played games on all sorts of content, and believe me, everything on PS2 is either unoriginal or ulti-platform.

[Kaoru]

\everything on PS2 is either unoriginal or ulti-platform.
Oh yea dude, everthing. Nothing is original on the PS2. Whatever you say.
But tell me, are any games 'original' on any of the newer systems?

[franchan]

Ah damnit I wrote a long post and somehow got logged out. ¬¬

Anywho the gist of it was that gamecube has some games that are totally original (obviously not all though) and variety of genres.

In my lala dream land nintendo makes a ddr-style game for gamecube... well Wii I guess since gamecube will soon be dead as a dodo for new releases. I'm trying to think of an ingeneous way of utilising the wii's controllers (aka wii-mote and nunchuck) for this game, alongside a mat. Hmm there was a rhythm game in Japan where you used your hands to pass over a sensor...

[shawn432]

im geten me a PS3.sony is alsome .the XBOX suckes bad!!!!

[Cura]

I think I've got Sony's back. As for what Kaoru said, she's right. The games their making now usually have some sort of history from the older games, on the older systems. If not that then, mostly inspired from them. To what most things are now.

Anyway, I don't really have much love for the X-box or 360 either.

[AniGamer]

Sony has shown us things for the PS3, 20 or 60gb hard drive, sensors on the controller that are like the Nintendo Wii's controller, and the Blu-Ray Disc with the Blu-Ray video games now can be much much longer now and have more detail in them like Grand Theft Auto they can add soo many new things that you cant do in the DVD GTAs like entry of every building or house, more realistic gaming like car needs gas, oil change, car can break down, turn off car feature, skills to fix ur car yourself, more weapons, tires wear out, car alarm can be installed. or games like Kingdom Hearts II which disappointed me because of how short and easy it was...games now can be longer and have more features.

[Kaoru]

like car needs gas, oil change, car can break down, turn off car feature, skills to fix ur car yourself,
I ask you...who the hell wants that on a GTA game? Sounds pointless on a game like that. Who wants to be running from the cops and run out of gas? Sure it makes it more realistic, but this is a video game! I hope this isn't how next-gen games will be, with pointless little annoying crap to make it realistic, because lets face it, reality sucks.

[Aratos]

Ever play GTA2? Totally unrealistic and all the better for it. None of thus "eat or go hungry" crap.

[Kaoru]

None of thus "eat or go hungry" crap.
The had that in GTA: San Andreas and it totally pissed me off. All the RPG type stuff they put in kinda bothered me.
Still a good game tho.