School Suicide

[Jacku]

Story: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=4844659

It's pretty much local news (for me). A friend of mine goes to that school. She said she was in the stairway the guy shot himself in. Eeks.

[Gogatsu]

Yeah thats local for me too. I saw that on the news earlier. :( I'm happy I'm not in school anymore. I piss people off easily and I'm too lazy to dodge a bullet. :D

[AnimeDudde]

People in my school arent emo enough for that, but they are stupid enough to try lighting the school on fire. It happened like a few weeks ago but they got caught, idiots >.>

[Jacku]

I think a friend of mine set something on fire at my school. Maybe a leaf. *shrugs* No damage done so whatever. She didn't get caught (if she actually did do it).

[Nekochii]

I don't get why someone would choose to kill themselves at school. I'm not saying it's right, but if you're going to kill yourself, do it at home. There's no need for suicidal students to get non-suicidal students involved in their problems.

[Jacku]

I don't know why he did that.
Bear in mind that he fired shots above the other students' heads supposedly so they knew that they had to get out.
*shrugs*

[WhistleBlower]

Try to think about the fact that he was not shooting other people like the ones in Canada.

[AnimeDudde]

Yea... They made us to lock-down drills like once a week for 2 months after those... It's even more pointless than fire drills. I'd so run out of the school if anything like that ever happened >.> Yes, lets all line up and walk out alphabetically :rolleyes:

[ArriahNicolas]

As I told my band teacher before when the school had a lock down because a nearby Greyhound station was getting robbed at gunpoint "This is [school name]; If someone was shooting, do you think there'll be someone on campus?" But that set of rules only apply at my school.

I'd be scared senseless if I saw that. Simply sad really.

This advocates my reasons on why grades should be abolished! XD

[Gogatsu]

I don't get why someone would choose to kill themselves at school. I'm not saying it's right, but if you're going to kill yourself, do it at home. There's no need for suicidal students to get non-suicidal students involved in their problems.

And stain the carpet, I think not. Plus blood is easier to clean up on marble floors. :rolleyes:


that should be a bumper sticker "If you're going to kill yourself, do it at home. :)"

[Ichigosmiles]

I don't get why someone would choose to kill themselves at school. I'm not saying it's right, but if you're going to kill yourself, do it at home. There's no need for suicidal students to get non-suicidal students involved in their problems.

Oh you know how it is, emo's get more emotional at school don't they?

[nikitia]

lovely

[Vicious]

Only one reason comes to mind when someone commits suicide, and that's attention.

Oh please, he had a family and everything, why else would he kill himself? Oh his life sucked but compared to other peoples, his life was alot better. That unappreciative bastard. It's sad but he's an idiot. No one should throw their life away, we should live life to the fullest.

Ugh, it pisses me off.

[jupiter23]

I really have to disagree with what you just said there, Vicious-san. A lot of people who commit suicide have families and would seemingly have a lot more going for them than most people. Whatever was going on with this kid had to have been a lot more serious than that. Granted, most who commit suicide tell someone what they are going to do because they want attention, but the underlying and more important reason is that they want help. This kid apparently told one of his online friends that he was going to do it, which says to me that he did feel helpless. He may have been having some kind of a problem at school and felt like no one cared. You have no idea how many people I have both heard of and met who are like that. So I wouldn't be so quick to just blow the entire thing off as stupid and call him an unappreciative bastard, as you did.

[Kaoru]

Either way suicide is the coward's way out. So I agree with Vicious, it was stupid. Doesn't matter how you put it, the fact is he killed himself, wasting his life, which is pretty stupid.

[Kaikero]

hmmm as missykaoru says suicide is stupid my bro to that way out....its out right stupid...

[ArriahNicolas]

Either way suicide is the coward's way out. So I agree with Vicious, it was stupid. Doesn't matter how you put it, the fact is he killed himself, wasting his life, which is pretty stupid.
So, what if a soldier jumped over a grenade to save his comrades? It's basically suicide.

Better yet, can you slit one of your major arteries? Or have a gun to your head? Or overdose on pills? I doubt many people can, I don't see suicide as a cowards way out, you have to be extremely brave to face your own mortality.

I don't agree with people committing suicide at all. We don't know what he was thinking, and people handle things in different ways.

[Vicious]

I really have to disagree with what you just said there, Vicious-san. A lot of people who commit suicide have families and would seemingly have a lot more going for them than most people. Whatever was going on with this kid had to have been a lot more serious than that. Granted, most who commit suicide tell someone what they are going to do because they want attention, but the underlying and more important reason is that they want help. This kid apparently told one of his online friends that he was going to do it, which says to me that he did feel helpless. He may have been having some kind of a problem at school and felt like no one cared. You have no idea how many people I have both heard of and met who are like that. So I wouldn't be so quick to just blow the entire thing off as stupid and call him an unappreciative bastard, as you did.
Help? If all they wanted was help, than all they had to do is ask. They were cowards, too arrogant just to ask for their parents help or tell their teacher. No, he just shoots himself in the head expecting all his troubles to leave him. It pisses me off!

They're selfish I tell you. People who commit suicide only want attention, hell, bums want attention too!

Not to mention he brings a gun... to SCHOOL and shoots himself at school. Why not at home? No he chooses school just for the attention. There's no other reason. I guess in the end he finally got the attention he wanted, but for the price of his own life? I'm still going to call him an unappreciative bastard. He just threw away his life for some problems. EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS DAMMIT! What makes his problems more special compared to others? >_>

So, what if a soldier jumped over a grenade to save his comrades? It's basically suicide.
T_T

Killing oneself intentionally isn't the same as giving up one's life to save another.

I don't see suicide as a cowards way out, you have to be extremely brave to face your own mortality.
Or extremely stupid.

[YamPuff]

Either way suicide is the coward's way out. So I agree with Vicious, it was stupid. Doesn't matter how you put it, the fact is he killed himself, wasting his life, which is pretty stupid.
That's the way I see it.
So, what if a soldier jumped over a grenade to save his comrades? It's basically suicide.
...

That's not suicide.
Better yet, can you slit one of your major arteries? Or have a gun to your head? Or overdose on pills? I doubt many people can, I don't see suicide as a cowards way out, you have to be extremely brave to face your own mortality.

I don't agree with people committing suicide at all. We don't know what he was thinking, and people handle things in different ways.
Suicide is the coward's way out because, instead of working up the courage to ask for help, instead of working to fix your problems, instead of fighting your problems, instead of facing your problems, you decide to avoid them and just give up. Sure it takes some courage and a lot of desperation but it comes down to not wanting to face your own problems.

Unless of course the kid had mental problems.

[KrypticHunter]

hey hey suicide is the way out only if you cant take life as it is. it gets too hard for you and you cant bear it anymore, too many things that add up to the stress, unbearable for many, much disapointment.

the thought of suicide has crossed my mind many times but i nver attempted it because there are somethings that hold you back

[Aratos]

hey hey suicide is the way out only if you cant take life as it is. it gets too hard for you and you cant bear it anymore, too many things that add up to the stress, unbearable for many, much disapointment.

Surely it's better to change that which you cannot accept, hmm?

[Kaoru]

That's the way I see it.

...

That's not suicide.

Suicide is the coward's way out because, instead of working up the courage to ask for help, instead of working to fix your problems, instead of fighting your problems, instead of facing your problems, you decide to avoid them and just give up. Sure it takes some courage and a lot of desperation but it comes down to not wanting to face your own problems.

Unless of course the kid had mental problems.
I would of wrote a lengthy response to ArriahNicolas's post but you've already said exactly what I would of.

[ArriahNicolas]

Most people who attempt/commit suicide isn't in their right mind. They don't think it'll get better, they can't think of a way to solve their problems, in their mind, they think they're doing everyone a favor...

Yes, there are some attention whores who kill themselves over petty reasons(The cynic in me is saying, that's a good way for to clean the gene pool.) I used to be friends with one(he's still alive I hope.)

[Aratos]

Most people who attempt/commit suicide isn't in their right mind.

yes, yes that would explain why their self-survival instinct manages to be overrided. Even sio, getting into that tate int eh fist placve shows a severe lack of willpower.

[ArriahNicolas]

yes, yes that would explain why their self-survival instinct manages to be overrided. Even sio, getting into that tate int eh fist placve shows a severe lack of willpower.
I just see it as a mental problem. Sometime after something been beaten into your head enough, it's hard to be rid of.

[Aratos]

I like to think of the primal brain as being like ROM.

[Nekochii]

Help? If all they wanted was help, than all they had to do is ask. They were cowards, too arrogant just to ask for their parents help or tell their teacher.
Easier said than done. Try going up to your parents or one of your teachers, or even a close friend and telling them "Hey, you've gotta help me. I'm having thoughts blowing my brains out and I think I just might do it." Not so easy, huh?

[Aratos]

worked for me. Ok, so it was more that a smart-eyed member of staff noticed I was acting totally ooc, but still.

[Gogatsu]

If I was castrated and there was no hope for repair I would think about it.

[Aratos]

now thaar's a defeatist attitude.

[ArriahNicolas]

If I was castrated and there was no hope for repair I would think about it.
You could become a famous Castrato!

[Nekochii]

If I was castrated and there was no hope for repair I would think about it.
It doesn't have to be that way. You could always get robot gentiles. That would be cool.

[aoife123]

Maybe it's from all the samurai films I watched when I was young but I believe in an honourable death.
There have been plenty of times when I have wished that I could just cease to be but I don't believe in weakness and I feel that giving in to thoughts of suicide is one of the greatest signs of weakness there are.

[Diablerie]

Yea... They made us to lock-down drills like once a week for 2 months after those... It's even more pointless than fire drills. I'd so run out of the school if anything like that ever happened >.> Yes, lets all line up and walk out alphabetically :rolleyes:

If anything really happened, I wouldn't want to be the person at the end of the line, lol

[Gogatsu]

It doesn't have to be that way. You could always get robot gentiles. That would be cool.

thats is out of the question and now you've got an image in my head. :eek:

[jupiter23]

Help? If all they wanted was help, than all they had to do is ask. They were cowards, too arrogant just to ask for their parents help or tell their teacher. No, he just shoots himself in the head expecting all his troubles to leave him. It pisses me off!

They're selfish I tell you. People who commit suicide only want attention, hell, bums want attention too!

Not to mention he brings a gun... to SCHOOL and shoots himself at school. Why not at home? No he chooses school just for the attention. There's no other reason. I guess in the end he finally got the attention he wanted, but for the price of his own life? I'm still going to call him an unappreciative bastard. He just threw away his life for some problems. EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS DAMMIT! What makes his problems more special compared to others? >_>


T_T

Killing oneself intentionally isn't the same as giving up one's life to save another.


Or extremely stupid.

So when you say that all people who commit suicide are attention whores, are you including those who are terminally ill in your argument also? What about those who once thought it was an honorable thing to do? And what about those who make someone else kill them?

Throwing yourself over a live grenade to save your friends is suicide, no matter how you want to twist it. You are taking your own life, which is what suicide is, despite the fact that you are doing it to save someone else.

None of us have any idea what was going on in that kid's head when he pulled the trigger, and I still think that insulting him like that is completely uncalled for.

[Gogatsu]

It doesn't have to be that way. You could always get robot gentiles. That would be cool.

could you love someone with robot genitles? :( I saw special about that on HBO.


You could become a famous Castrato!


I'm not really the singing type. :)

[Kaoru]

So when you say that all people who commit suicide are attention whores, are you including those who are terminally ill in your argument also? What about those who once thought it was an honorable thing to do? And what about those who make someone else kill them?

Throwing yourself over a live grenade to save your friends is suicide, no matter how you want to twist it. You are taking your own life, which is what suicide is, despite the fact that you are doing it to save someone else.

None of us have any idea what was going on in that kid's head when he pulled the trigger, and I still think that insulting him like that is completely uncalled for.
What is your fascination with trying to disprove they idea that HIS suicide was stupid? And selfish? It was. Think about it. When he took his own life it not only effected him, but his parents, his friends, the school, and everyone that knew him. And all for what? I heard it was all because he got low marks in school and his parents cut off his after school activities. That, the way I see it, is pertty stupid.

[stickdeathgod]

I don't get why someone would choose to kill themselves at school. I'm not saying it's right, but if you're going to kill yourself, do it at home. There's no need for suicidal students to get non-suicidal students involved in their problems.
Thats prolly the whole reason he did it though...

[Gogatsu]

I heard it was all because he got low marks in school and his parents cut off his after school activities. That, the way I see it, is pertty stupid.

Well if he got all suicidal over a bad report card maybe it wasn't such a bad idea he ended his existence. The real world is a lot tougher. :mad:

[Nekochii]

could you love someone with robot genitles? :(
Only a very shallow person wouldn't love someone because they had robot genitles. It's what's on the inside that counts. ;)

[Gogatsu]

I think you're just looking out for yourself. Everyone knows that robot genitles are power by a motor. selfish. :mad:

[KrypticHunter]

maybe he was looking for attention if he did it at school, but if he did it at home people would still foind out anyways...so either way people will find out and be affected

[jupiter23]

What is your fascination with trying to disprove they idea that HIS suicide was stupid? And selfish? It was. Think about it. When he took his own life it not only effected him, but his parents, his friends, the school, and everyone that knew him. And all for what? I heard it was all because he got low marks in school and his parents cut off his after school activities. That, the way I see it, is pertty stupid.

My fascination with it is that some of you are jumping to conclusions about it and assuming he only wanted attention or that it was over a bad report card. It isn't necessarily that I'm trying to play the Devil's Advocate or anything, but I don't like it when people just assume things like that and pass judgement on someone when they don't even know the entire story behind it. Like I said, we don't know what was going on in his head when he pulled the trigger, and I have the feeling that the outcome of his report card was not all there was to it.

[Vicious]

My fascination with it is that some of you are jumping to conclusions about it and assuming he only wanted attention or that it was over a bad report card. It isn't necessarily that I'm trying to play the Devil's Advocate or anything, but I don't like it when people just assume things like that and pass judgement on someone when they don't even know the entire story behind it. Like I said, we don't know what was going on in his head when he pulled the trigger, and I have the feeling that the outcome of his report card was not all there was to it.

T_T Whatever the reason was, it shouldn't have led him to commit suicide. As I mentioned before, we all have problems, but we live through it. That's how life is, there was no reason for him to shoot himself, and of all places!

Either he wanted attention, or he was too damn of a coward to face his problems. But like I mentioned before, we all have problems. I have problems, my family has problems, I'm sure everyone on these boards have problems, but we don't know if it was worse than that person who shot himself.

A life shouldn't be treated like trash, we only get to live once and having problems is just a common thing in life and everyone goes through it. Whether it be bad grades (I went through it), having no friends, having no one to talk to, or whatever it is... everyone in this world has gone through it.

But, like you said we shouldn't pass judgement on someone that has commited suicide... but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to.

Not to mention he was selfish like how kaoru said. Killing himself affected not only his life, but everyone around him.

So yeah, I still think that was a very stupid move. He could have even fixed his problems over time but no... he just wanted to get it over with.

[Kaoru]

Like I said, we don't know what was going on in his head when he pulled the trigger, and I have the feeling that the outcome of his report card was not all there was to it.
It doesn't matter WHAT was going though his head the moment he pulled the trigger, it's the fact he did it. That's the stupid part. Like Vicious said, we all have problems, he just stupidly delt with them. So I guess what I'm trying to say is his actions were stupid, but not necessarily him as a person, if you get what I mean.

[YamPuff]

So I guess what I'm trying to say is his actions were stupid, but not necessarily him as a person, if you get what I mean.
Quoted for truth. :cool:

[jupiter23]

It doesn't matter WHAT was going though his head the moment he pulled the trigger, it's the fact he did it. That's the stupid part. Like Vicious said, we all have problems, he just stupidly delt with them. So I guess what I'm trying to say is his actions were stupid, but not necessarily him as a person, if you get what I mean.

I'll give you that point, and I want to take this opportunity to say that I'm not defending his actions at all either. My personal opinion on suicide is that it's bad for your soul (karma, if you will) and that if the reason you are killing yourself is because you can't deal with your problems, then I don't have any sympathy for you in that respect. However, I also have to take a neutral standpoint on the issue and defend the person doing it, because I've studied the entire issue of suicide (I'm majoring in Criminal Justice and want to become a police detective) and all forms of it and I am well aware of the reasons why many people do it. I'm also well aware of the signs of it and I also know that if someone is having suicidal thoughts, it's not something to just brush off or call them names over. It actually does matter what was going through his head, as he may have thought he was doing everyone a favor. He may have also developed a form of depression, and no one in his family thought to talk or would have thought that anything might have been wrong. The statistics are that many of those who commit suicide also had some form of a mental problem (I hate the term mental illness, and if anyone cares to discuss that, make another thread or something) and were not in the right frame of mind when they did it.

[Aratos]

The fact is that mental illness -sorry, we're not suing that term y'say? Deviant psychology, then- cna be spotted. If no-one did anything about it, they're jsut as much to blame. But it should not have happened in the first place. And more to the point, jsut becasue you're mentally deviant doesn't make your actions any less bloody stupid and irresponsible.

[jupiter23]

You can use the term mental illness if you want to, I just refuse to use it because I believe it has a totally misconstrued meaning.

And actually, you wouldn't believe the number of people who live with a mental problem on that level on a daily basis. A high majority of those with something like schizophrenia or depression actually won't make it public knowlege. The person who checks you out at a store or the person who works on your car or sits next to you in a class may have been fighting it for a long time and never had the need to tell anyone about it.

Like I said though, that's a completely different subject.

[Aratos]

I've studied psychology. I know all this.

Anyway, I'm a sufferer and thus can call it whatever the hell I like. Ilness seems fair enough in most cases.

[LetterBoy]

id say worthless. thats what i believed made him pull the trigger

[LadyHavoc]

That reminds me of what happened to an old friend of mine. I had known him since kindergarten, but over the years we grew distant and we went to different high schools. If anyone asked me about him I would describe him as a hyper crazy Mexican (in a good way). I always saw him smiling. So when I heard he killed himself, it was shock.

I don't understand people who kill themselves.

[YamPuff]

I've studied psychology. I know all this.
You do know that life isn't all text books right?

Not every time someone does something its because of their parents or an illness.

[Aratos]

YamPuff, my point was that I know everything jupiter23 was saying about the vast number of people with mental ilness etc etc. Hell, y'don't even need to study psychology to know that thanks to the scottish health folk having huge mental ilness awareness campaigns.

Besides, I've never said that every time someone does something it's down to parents or ilness. What I have said is that it's my personal belief that no-one is born evil, and people always have a chance to reform. Some folk do stupid things, which is generally down to personality, and upbringing is one of the biggest influences on personality.

"train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he shall not depart from it".