Mom killed baby in microwave

[Gogatsu]

A mother was arrested on suspicion of murdering her baby by putting it in a microwave oven.

The Enquirer (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/NEWS01/611290391)

[Kyaa the Catlord]

People should learn, microwave hamsters, not offspring.

Bunnies are good for nuking as well.

[Gogatsu]

Thats just weird kyaa :mad:

[TonightMidnight]

Aw, that's a shame. What happened to not having kids if you don't want 'em?

[Gogatsu]

well she has three other kids who are older so yeah I guess they past the trials. I how can you watch your child be microwaved.

[kairi990]

Piece of crap! :mad: Somebody should microwave her! Better yet, down her in a combination of ammonia and bleach!
How could you do that to a baby?! this world is full of sick, twisted people...

[WhistleBlower]

I wonder if she walked away and came back to check on her like a turkey or watched her suffer....Man people these days are messed.

[marukufusen]

What Kind Of Sick Person Is She!

[Jacku]

People should learn, microwave hamsters, not offspring.

Bunnies are good for nuking as well.

How about poodles?

Anyway, that lady's twisted. She'll get what's coming to her.

[WhistleBlower]

Crazies tend to die fast.....

[Iblis]

That's one of the most gruesome, disgusting things I can imagine.

[YamPuff]

There's actually no concrete proof she did it, peoples.

[Gogatsu]

She looks crazy, but it is a mug shot. Any photo that is taken in a state or federal buliding always turn out bad :(

[Nekochii]

Very sad. I heard an urban legend like this a couple of years ago, but instead of a microwave it was an oven. She must of had a pretty big microwave though. I don't think mine is even big enough to hold an actual baby.

[Aratos]

hmm

*there's no proof she did it
*even if she was responsible, there's no proof she did it intentionally
*one does have to wonder about state of mind. It's not nice to go hurling abuse at folk like that if they actually have some serious ilness now, is it?

[Nekochii]

She looks crazy, but it is a mug shot.
I think she looks very sad, even a bit remorseful. I agree with Aratos about her not being in the right state of mind, I mean for all we know she could have some sort of mental illness and had no idea what she was doing. At least I hope that's the case. I'd sure hate to think she microwaved her baby intentionally.

[FiNalDeSire]

That's one sick psyco B**ch. People like that need to be shot in the head or drowned to death.:mad:

[Aratos]

That's one sick psyco B**ch. People like that need to be shot in the head or drowned to death.:mad:

People witht hat attitude also need to be shot in the head or drowned in feaces.

[FiNalDeSire]

People witht hat attitude also need to be shot in the head or drowned in feaces.

No psycho's like her don't need to live. Why do you think she is doing a good thing or something......honestly what's your problem.

[Aratos]

Like I say, there's a little thing called circumsatnces. Psychology and allt hat.

Besides, I'm a huge supporter of the "everyone has the right to live" philosophy. the lord giveth,a nd only the Lord may taketh away.

[FiNalDeSire]

I believe in that too it just makes me angry to hear about this kind of stuff. Really angry.:mad:

[Aratos]

yeah, well. You get too emotionally involved in things for your own good.

or maybe it's that I'm unhealthily detached.

[SweetNymph]

This sounds a lot like the urban legend of the babysitter coming to the place stoned, the parents going out not noticing she's stoned, coming home, the babysitter telling them she put the roast/turkey in the over, and he parents realizing that she cooked their baby.

[YamPuff]

And then eating it anyway.

[Iblis]

Besides, I'm a huge supporter of the "everyone has the right to live" philosophy. the lord giveth,a nd only the Lord may taketh away.

And when you kill someone else, you forfeit your right to your own life.

[Aratos]

No, when you kill someone you're gonna look pretty damned sheepish on the day of judgement.

But that's just the thing. As long as you're still alive you have the chance to see the error of your ways and repent, and the Lord sure does love a repentant sinner. It's a little difficult to repent when you've just had a few thousand volts shot through you, though.

I don't see the words "public executioner" anywhere in "only the Lord may taketh away".

[YamPuff]

Ok, doesn't the Bible have rules and laws on how to deal with criminals? or am I just missing something here?

[SweetNymph]

The old laws, back when people still had to make sacrifices to be forgiven.

[Aratos]

Haha. Well noticed.

Yes, the old testament _does_ contain a bunch of laws involving stoning adultereses and killing gays and the like. However.

The vast majority of those laws were designed to keep the israelites seperate from the gentiles, being that they were God's people and thus better than everyone else and so on and so forth. However, when God came to earth as man in the form of Christ, the rules changed. Particularly the ones that stated you should execute folk. Why? Becasue the reason for executing them was that they were sinners. Thus when christ found a gang about to stone a woman caught in adultery he announced that they should "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Of course no-one is without sin, with the exception of the Lord. Thus they didn't kill her.

So: old testament, jewish stuff, complciated laws, israelites are God's people.

new testament: christian stuff, new covenant, out with the death penalty, in with loving your enemys and Gods message is for everyone.

It's all in Christ's sermon on the mount, you know. If a man hits you on the cheek, turn the other cheek to be hit. If he steals your coat, give him also your shirt. To be precise, the important point in theose regards are as follows (taken from the New Internation version of the holy bible)

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[YamPuff]

@ Aratos, I see. My knowledge of the Christian religion is pretty minimal.
The old laws, back when people still had to make sacrifices to be forgiven.
:confused:

[Aratos]

sacrifices: again with the israelites. The idea was that you'd sacrifice an animal to the Lord in repentance for your sins. And every year they sent this goat into the dessert to die to cleanse the whole community. And it was known as the scapegoat.

Aratos explains where a term comes from number 32...

In fact that stuff was aprt of the reason for the new covenant. it'd got to the point where the ritual was all important, and action was above faith. Then the pahrisees started selling pigeons in the temple for sacrifices, christ walked in and overturned it all, the pharisees got upset and had him arrested... That's what it boils down to really. Jews follow the old law, Christians follow the new law. And Moonys follow a bloke who went up a hill and got told he was christ reborn. Strange man.

[SweetNymph]

There were also the typical altar sacrifices (kill the animal, drain the blood, roast it), grain sacrifices, wine sacrifices, etc.

Yeah, that part where Jesus goes all Righteous Anger on them is one of the best parts of the Bible. ^^

[KrypticHunter]

god works in mysterious ways....

[kairi990]

And when you kill someone else, you forfeit your right to your own life.

Amen. Especially in a situation like this...

[Aratos]

a situation where there's no proof of guilt? Remind me never to get you guys as defense witnesses.

[kakashi]

...This is the Enquirer that we are talking about. Probably not true.

[WhistleBlower]

ok ok thinking about it I realize Aratos may be right. I regret jumping to conclusions. But why dont we say that all these evil comments are for if she did do it?

[roxas87]

poor kid, thats not a good way to die.

[Aratos]

There's a good way to die? Please share it with us so we all know what to do when the time comes.

[YamPuff]

Peacefully, in one's sleep. Painlessly, surrounded by loved ones. So sudden you don't know what hit you.

[Aratos]

No, that's _not_ a good way to die. It's certainly a more honourable death than trapped in a metal box being cooked from the inside out, but good? Hmm.

[Nekochii]

No, that's _not_ a good way to die.
Well it's a lot less painful than being burned to death. Such an agonizing way to die, poor baby. :(

[Aratos]

It's the manner that's important, not the level of pain, surely?

[YamPuff]

No, that's _not_ a good way to die.
Why not? Dying peaceful happy and contented isn't a good way to die how?

[Aratos]

Apart from the fact you're dead? Simple. By the time you reach the point of natural causes you've outlived your usefulness so to speak. There's so much you can't do, and probably haven't been able to do for years. In some ways it's better to be cut short in your prime than to be helpless as you slowly degrade.

Ok, so possibly my opinion on that matter has something to do with the fact I fully expect to wind up blind eventually if my eyesite doesn't stop it's slow collapse. I'm already as good as.

[YamPuff]

So what's wrong with dying? Its inevitable, should be something you accept and if you happen to belive in the afterlife its an even better thing. And note I never said dying of old age. I just said dying happy and peaceful. Besides the fact that no one ever becomes useless whatever their handicap. They can choose to become useless or can give up, but they don't just end up useless. Even if you are so disabled you can't even speak or think your existance can touch another person's life and change them. I'm not saying that its good or happy to the person going through it, but still.

[Aratos]

Yeah, that's the problem with inevitability.

To me though, death's just a blip in a timeline. Might as well not waste it.

[TonightMidnight]

I hate that "Innocent until proven guilty" nonsense. If this lady really did microwave her baby on purpose then she should get thrown in prison forever. If she was crazy, then a mental institution.

A person who does something like this intentionally doesn't deserve a second chance. There's no, "Oops."

[Freakazoid]

What on earth could compel someone do a thing like this?

[Nekochii]

Babies can be hard to deal with, and I guess with all the crying and midnight feedings she just lost it. I'm not excusing what she did, but there are some people who can't cope with all the stress that comes with having a child. She probably thought her only way out was to kill her baby. Why she chose the microwave I'll never know. :confused:

[TonightMidnight]

Babies can be hard to deal with, and I guess with all the crying and midnight feedings she just lost it. I'm not excusing what she did, but there are some people who can't cope with all the stress that comes with having a child. She probably thought her only way out was to kill her baby. Why she chose the microwave I'll never know. :confused:

Which brings me back to my first statement: don't have kids if you can't handle them. The lady already had 3 (?) kids before the baby, so what did she think would be different this time around?

And if the baby was pissing her off that much she could've left it with a family member or a baby-sitter. Or give it up for adoption. Even drop it at the hospital steps. There are so many possibilities. People are just stupid like Aratos's signature says.

[Aratos]

1) Mental ilness can strike at any time.
2) haven't you heard? having children is a right, not a privelage.
3) innocent until proven guilty exists for a reason: jsut becasue you're accused of something doesn't man you did it.

[Nekochii]

I'm guessing people aren't as concerned about why she killed her baby but more how she did it, I mean that poor baby wasn't just killed, he was tortured.

[Aratos]

Remember: there's no proof she did it. It's not "how she did it", it's "how it happened".

On a more reassuring note, the suffering wouldn't last long. That's the joy of natural painkillers.

[Nekochii]

On a more reassuring note, the suffering wouldn't last long. That's the joy of natural painkillers.
Still, I remember watching a report about this on CNN, and they were saying the pain the baby must of felt before he died would have been excruciating. I mean he literally melted in in the f***ing microwave. I have a feeling people aren't going to let this go, even though the law says innocent until proven guilty it's really the other way around.

[Aratos]

yeah, but that's becasue people are stupid and get worked up about things without knowing the evidence. Society really is going to the dogs.

Did you know civil law in Britain can be settled by any court agreed upon by the clients? I jsut fouind out the other day. Aparently there're a number of Jewish and islamic courts about the place. Scary stuff.

[Kantami]

ah poor kid stupid mum

[Nekochii]

Still, I remember watching a report about this on CNN, and they were saying the pain the baby must of felt before he died would have been excruciating. I mean he literally melted in in the f***ing microwave.
Correction: The baby was a girl.


Edit: Turns out this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

In 2000, a Virginia woman was sentenced to five years in prison for killing her month-old son in a microwave oven. Elizabeth Renee Otte claimed she had no memory of cramming her son in the microwave and turning on the appliance in 1999.

Experts said that Otte suffered from epilepsy and that her seizures were followed by blackouts.

[roxas87]

my grandmother had 10 kids so i got no clue on how she didnt go crazy.

[Nekochii]

Well, back then parents tended to be more strict and children were more well behaved. At least that's what my mom told me.

[TonightMidnight]

1) Mental ilness can strike at any time.
2) haven't you heard? having children is a right, not a privelage.
3) innocent until proven guilty exists for a reason: jsut becasue you're accused of something doesn't man you did it.

You know Aratos for a person who's sig says, "People are idiots" you sure seem to always give them the benefit of the doubt. That, and a lot of lee-way.

Having children should be a privilege.

And I will always hate the "innocent until proven guilty" rule. There are so many loop-holes and ways to get around it I wonder how it passes in courts among so-called "intelligent" people.

[Nekochii]

Having children should be a privilege.
I agree wth you on that.


And I will always hate the "innocent until proven guilty" rule. There are so many loop-holes and ways to get around it I wonder how it passes in courts among so-called "intelligent" people.
That's one way to look at it, but lets say the law did work your way, the guilty until proven innocent way. Think about how may innocent people would be sent to prison.

[Aratos]

You know Aratos for a person who's sig says, "People are idiots" you sure seem to always give them the benefit of the doubt. That, and a lot of lee-way.

Having children should be a privilege.

And I will always hate the "innocent until proven guilty" rule. There are so many loop-holes and ways to get around it I wonder how it passes in courts among so-called "intelligent" people.

1) Just people are idiots doesn't mean I assume the worst in them. Just expect it. I also see those laws as important for basic human rights. As you may have noticed, general rights and freedoms are more pretty important to me. How does innocent until proven guilty pass amongst inteligent people? Simple: the object of a court is to prove or disprove guilt. If guilt is already assumed to start with then (a) you have a biased court and (b) techniocally it'd be perectly correct to pass sentance without trial: after all, they're guilty aren't they? Now that's a breach of human right if ever I saw one. Yes, inteligent people wrote that law, and it's teh inteligent people that uphold it. Inteligent people who've spent years studying laws and rights and such junk.

2) I agree entirely. Haviong children -should_ be a privelage. I was simply pointing out the viewpoint held by modern society, atleast in the UK.

[chikaranotori]

i find myself agreeing with aratos on this one point... people are quick to condemn, and i mean in a general sense. there have been numerous moratoriums on the death penalty in US states concerning the fairness and so forth. they have found that many of the people on death row are often innocent and some that have been executed are found innocent posthumously.

still, no matter how difficult parenthood may seem, there is no excuse for what this woman has been accused of...there are too many resources in the US for what sounds to be a serious case of post-partum depression. i have a child and i suffered with depression during and after my daughter was born--to harm her in any way would be absolutely inexcusable...and if this woman had family or friends, someone should have made sure she received the help. she herself might have even realized she had a problem--she should have done something if so.

if it's true, now maybe she will receive whatever help she needs.

[Aratos]

still, no matter how difficult parenthood may seem, there is no excuse for what this woman has been accused of...there are too many resources in the US for what sounds to be a serious case of post-partum depression. i have a child and i suffered with depression during and after my daughter was born--to harm her in any way would be absolutely inexcusable...and if this woman had family or friends, someone should have made sure she received the help. she herself might have even realized she had a problem--she should have done something if so.


shoulda, coulda, woulda.The sad fact is that most people don't.

If someone's mentally ill, it's often quite common that no-one does realise until it's too late. One of the signs of ilness is you often don't, or won't, realise there's anything wrong with you. That's the reason there're so many suicides every year. That's the reason folk go and kill their children ebcasue they can't cope, or turn to drugs, or go missing for months on end...

And I can't help thinking PNP's more likely than PND. Certainlt that's what Andrea Yates suffered from.

[SweetNymph]

i find myself agreeing with aratos on this one point... people are quick to condemn, and i mean in a general sense. there have been numerous moratoriums on the death penalty in US states concerning the fairness and so forth. they have found that many of the people on death row are often innocent and some that have been executed are found innocent posthumously.

still, no matter how difficult parenthood may seem, there is no excuse for what this woman has been accused of...there are too many resources in the US for what sounds to be a serious case of post-partum depression. i have a child and i suffered with depression during and after my daughter was born--to harm her in any way would be absolutely inexcusable...and if this woman had family or friends, someone should have made sure she received the help. she herself might have even realized she had a problem--she should have done something if so.

if it's true, now maybe she will receive whatever help she needs.

I'm reminded of a Dear Abby article about a new mother who had never wanted children, her husband wouldn't let her put the baby up for adoption even though he was still overseas in the army for several months, she had no family nearby to help her, was always stressed, and often felt like shaking the kid (which she hadn't yet done).

There are a lot of free couciling services for post-partum depression (among other things). Not long after, Abby printed some responses from other readers and asked that the woman write again so they'd know how she was doing. Turns out she took Abby's advice, got some help, her mom and sister were flying in to help her, and she discovered it was rather nice to have an avid listener when she read Dr. Seuss.

So, I agree, post-partum depression isn't an excuse for harming a child.

What' really sick is that there are parents who dont' want kids or hurt their children for whatever lame reason, but there are hundreds of couples who want to have children but can't, and often can't even adopt, even though they would provide a much healthier, loving, and safe environment.

Course, there's also the issue that once a kid in teh System is 3, they have a very low chance of getting adopted, but that's another subject altogether.

[TonightMidnight]

When did I say the rule should be changed to "guilty until proven innocent?" Never said that. I just simply said that I don't like the "innocent until proven guilty" rule, because the loop-holes are endless. For instance, "innocent until proven guilty" would be crap in a scenerio where a person shoots another person in broad day-light on a crowded street. The gunman is already guilty, because over a hundred people have witnessed the crime.

Though I admit I am pessimistic most of the time, it's not right that people don't take responsibility for their actions. It's never anyone's fault, right? It's so twisted that people have created excuse after excuse for other people.

Own up to your actions. That's my whole point. Instead of saying things like, "Well he/she did it, because they're crazy. He/she did it because they were mad. He/she did it, because they didn't put whipped cream on their sundae..."

Give. Me. A. Break.

edit: And even with the current laws there are still a lot of innocent people in jail. While the idiots run wild, because excuses were made for their actions.

[Aratos]

When did I say the rule should be changed to "guilty until proven innocent?" Never said that. I just simply said that I don't like the "innocent until proven guilty" rule, because the loop-holes are endless. For instance, "innocent until proven guilty" would be crap in a scenerio where a person shoots another person in broad day-light on a crowded street. The gunman is already guilty, because over a hundred people have witnessed the crime.


I believe by that point he's alreay proven.

[TonightMidnight]

I believe by that point he's alreay proven.

Exactly.

[Aratos]

Which means you're argument's irelevant. Innocent until proiven. If there's no reasonable doubnt even before the trial, you'd need a helluva lawyer to get out of it.

Of course the point is what you're guilty of. it's not necesarily homicide. Hell, if a shrink say's you're mentally ill then it changes everyhting.

[nikitia]

eww, there goes my appitiete for that popcorn

[TonightMidnight]

Which means you're argument's irelevant. Innocent until proiven. If there's no reasonable doubnt even before the trial, you'd need a helluva lawyer to get out of it.

Of course the point is what you're guilty of. it's not necesarily homicide. Hell, if a shrink say's you're mentally ill then it changes everyhting.

That's...my main point. People make too many excuses.

[Aratos]

excuses not. Mental illness is real.

[TonightMidnight]

excuses not. Mental illness is real.

Never said it wasn't. Excuses aren't always fictional.

[Aratos]

If it's real, it's not an excuse. It's an alibi.

[TonightMidnight]

If it's real, it's not an excuse. It's an alibi.

Ok, ok Aratos.

[RKambereyes]

I think it's so sad that someone would do that to their child. I remember reading this in the news when it happened.

eww, there goes my appitiete for that popcorn

Aww come on...Popcorns the best thing out there!! ^__^ It's not like anyone dies in your microwave.

[naniwoshimasuka]

God that's sick. You know how many nightmares I have about microwaves? Way too many. And then I always hear the sound of eyeballs exploding the next day... Freaking tramatic.

[Nekochii]

Wow. I never heard of anyone having a phobia of microwaves, but I'm sure after hearing this story a lot of people will.

[densukemifune]

Aw, that's a shame. What happened to not having kids if you don't want 'em?


I couldn't agree more. It's sad that so many people think that you're obligated to have children. It's a choice, not an obligation.You don't have to have children if you don't want to. If more people would realize this , the world be a much better place, as there would be a lot less unwanted children born and a lot less human misery. Birth control: Learn it, live it.

[naniwoshimasuka]

Wow. I never heard of anyone having a phobia of microwaves, but I'm sure after hearing this story a lot of people will.
Yeah, my mom gets annoyed because I insist we get a new microwave sometimes, not often. It's for our health and safety. Those things leak radiation when they get old.

[cutegirl2]

wow... :O
thats sick if you put a baby in a micro wave :O
and she should get arrested fopr this and get some sort of ,... i agree with kairi990

[RKambereyes]

My mom tells me not to stand in front of the micro wave because of the radiation but I say "Hey, I get radiation from standing in the sun anyway"

[DangerousBob]

Theres some sick people out there....or just some really dumb ones.

[MsDaywalker]

what an evil woman! she should be put in the mico !
i hate the mico too, most food dosnt come out good anyway
and birthcontrol should be mandatory to many kids are having kids
i just read about a mother throwing her 4 kids into the cold gross sanfransisco bay and then claiming insanity, she should have thrown herself in first.

[Snubsnub]

... I heard this on the news, and it almost made me cry/anger at the same time.
What a horrible mother. What kind of person, would put their baby in a microwave, sit their watching their baby burn from the inside out. You would have to be sick like this mother.. actually we shouldn't even be calling her a mother. Real mothers don't do things like that.

I hope she lives a horrible life in prison.

[RamaNoodle21]

that artcile doesn't exist anymore 0_o I really wanted to read it too

[Gogatsu]

just google the headline and I'm sure you'll find it.

[Insanime492]

...This is the Enquirer that we are talking about. Probably not true.

Yes, it is the enquirer everything they write is fake (well, most of it) I trust Weekly World News more than them

[Angel of Chaos]

Seein as I didn't hear this on CNN, I doubt that it is true.

[PoisonSunrise]

I heard about it on the news when they arrested her, but I haven't heard/read anything else about her or the case. However, I rarely watch the local news anymore.

I did a quick search on it for an article and this is the first one I found. Click (http://www.cleveland.com/ohio/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1164801479271860.xml&coll=2)

[Exquiro]

I have to say... That the idea of that makes me feel physically ill. I havn't read the article but what's wrong with her? How could she do something like that? If a woman has a kid and doesn't want it there are a never ending list of things she could have done with it but MICROWAVING it to death? That's inhuman. She could have put it up for adoption. And if she was set on killing it she could have at least done it in a more humane manner.

EDIT: Just read the article.