Saddam Hussein sentenced to death

[Kaoru]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6117910.stm

Wow, who didn't see this coming.

[Aratos]

It'll all end in tears. I'm betting on martyrdom and civil war, personally.

[Kaoru]

and civil war
I hope not. That place is already messed up enough.

I think they should of gave him a life sentence. Let him rot.

[Aratos]

Ah, but think how good it makes dubya look. And right in the middle of an important election, too...

Conspiracy theories aside, letting him live would be worse in many ways. It gives his supporters a figure to rally round, so they can attempt to break him out. Just look at the neo-nazis with Hess.

[Razgriz]

But if he is executed he will become a martyr for his cause which can cause even more supporters to act.

[Aratos]

That's what I said...

And it's "might", not "will".

[binaryzero]

hence why a bullshit trial and only nailing him for stuff done before american aid came into play is why he'll be martyred.

out of all of his offenses they only could nail him for 140 deaths in 1982?!?
maybe as time went on he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people if the united states wasn't selling him VX nerve gas?

plus the trial switched judges several times was done outside of a U.N. sponsored trial. it was just a complete mess and hardly credible.

don't get me wrong the f**ker deserves to die, just it would have been optimum if it could have been done on the world's stage, and a sheer mountain of charges spanning 20 years.

[Meroko Yui]

it really doesn't matter HOW the trial went, the point is he's dying. yay.

EDIT: This is sarcasm. I am sorry for not making this clear. Anyway, I could care less about Hussein. They should have left him alone.

[kairi990]

Party at the white house....

[Iblis]

it really doesn't matter HOW the trial went, the point is he's dying. yay.

And that's why the government feels it is able to (and is able to) pull the **** it does. who carez he is dying so it doesn't matter if it is a huge miscarriage of the pile of **** USA calls "justice"!

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Note to the above poster: He was tried by an Iraqi court.

Personally, I would have been down with those marines pulling him out of the hole he was hiding in, standing him in front of a barn and filling him with lead until they were out of ammo.

Saddam deserves to be killed, resurrected, killed again, repeat for a few hundred thousand times.

[Nekochii]

I think killing Saddam is letting him off the hook too easily. I'd rather he spend the rest of his life in an Iraqi prison getting beaton by the guards and gang raped in the shower everyday. Make his life a living Hell just like he did to the Iraqi people. In other words, it's payback time! :mad:

Revenge is so sweet. :)

[Aratos]

hence why a bullshit trial and only nailing him for stuff done before american aid came into play is why he'll be martyred.

out of all of his offenses they only could nail him for 140 deaths in 1982?!?
maybe as time went on he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people if the united states wasn't selling him VX nerve gas?

plus the trial switched judges several times was done outside of a U.N. sponsored trial. it was just a complete mess and hardly credible.

don't get me wrong the f**ker deserves to die, just it would have been optimum if it could have been done on the world's stage, and a sheer mountain of charges spanning 20 years.

Uhu. Evidently you failed to notice the second trial that just started? The one where he's being tried for gassing the kurds alongside all the folk who assisted?

Anywho, here's a point for the folk who're talking about ameircan intervention etc.

It's an Iraqi court. The death sentence has been imposed under Iraqi and Shariah(sp) law- a law which the UN disagress with on account of the fact it's undemocratic (but we'll avoid that argument jsut now, hmm?). If Iraq is to be a truly independant state, then the views of the Iraqi courts are what are important. And that Iraqi court has to be Iraqi, not bloody UN!

As for the judges switching, go do a background check. He quit becasue of government interference, thus helping ensure a fair trial. And fair it was- they went over the evidence from both sides, defendants were given the chance to dispute claims and one of them was even let off. I hardly call that a kangaroo court.

And on that note, any theologans here like to explain the difference between sunnis and shias? Can't help thinking that's probably an important point.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

And on that note, any theologans here like to explain the difference between sunnis and shias? Can't help thinking that's probably an important point.

Teehee. That's like trying to explain the War of the Roses in five words. :P

[Aratos]

Lancaster versus York. Civil War.

Next question?

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Ali versus Caliphate. Theological schism.

[Aratos]

Well there's a good summary.

[YamPuff]

And on that note, any theologans here like to explain the difference between sunnis and shias? Can't help thinking that's probably an important point.
The bare bones of it this; Sunni follow the prophet Mohammed as the leader of Islamic faith, Shi'a follow Ali Ibn Abi Talib (Mohammed's cousin and first young man to enter Islamic faith, second to Mohamed's wife) instead.

[Aratos]

I see. Thanks for that.

You'd never guess I did a huge project on Islam for my standard grade RE and passed with flying colours....

[YamPuff]

I'd believe that anyday.

[roxas87]

but you would wonder what the people will do to his dead body afterwards.

[Aratos]

but you would wonder what the people will do to his dead body afterwards.

*resists the urge to break into song about necrophilia and general disrepect ot corpses*

Eh, they'll probably burn it.

[YamPuff]

They would probably bury him the muslim way, no cremating there. Just burying.

[Aratos]

Dpoes he really deserve a respectful burial, though? Not like anyone other tyrant gets such a thing.

[Kaoru]

Well he's still human.

[Super Dude]

I don't care how he's buried. Myself, Johnny Depp, Bono, Mika Nakashima, Amy Lee, Judge Mathis, Judge Judy, Judge Joe, Ayumi Hamasaki, and Koda Kumi all spit on his grave.

[Aratos]

True, but my point thusly.

Hitler: burned.
Mussolini: hung on public display, burned.
Cromwell: buried, dug up, stuck in a gibbet.
Tsar alexander and family: shot, acid-washed, thrown down a well.

[Super Dude]

I don't care how he's buried. Myself, Johnny Depp, Bono, Mika Nakashima, Amy Lee, Judge Mathis, Judge Judy, Judge Joe, Ayumi Hamasaki, and Koda Kumi all spit on his grave.

Good Point. i totally agree.

[Aratos]

@Super Dude How about you quit it? Now.

[Kaoru]

I think he's on crack.

[Super Dude]

All right sorry. But I seriously dislike what Sudaam and others like him have done to their countries. Which is why I do what I can for Amnesty Internationale (French Version).

[Aratos]

Yeah. Amnesty. The guys who're saying that Sadaam got an unfair trial and his sentence is unjust. Yeah, you go support them.

[Super Dude]

Whoops, my bad must've slept through that one. Oh well, you will all know this as the day you almost caught the great SUPER DUDE! HA HA! Farewell, biznatches!:cool:

[TonightMidnight]

They shoulda just given him life in prison.

Wait...they might let him get parol after 50 years.

[Aratos]

I'd like to suggest that "super dude" is in some way related to ddr. He seems to use the same misquotes.

[Super Dude]

I'd like to suggest that "super dude" is in some way related to ddr. He seems to use the same misquotes.

I was actually playing some DDR supernaova earlier today, how'd you know? But seriously, shouldn't YOU stay on topic?:rolleyes:

[TonightMidnight]

I'd like to suggest that "super dude" is in some way related to ddr. He seems to use the same misquotes.

Lol. Oh, DDR Tatsujin?

[Freakazoid]

So...their finally gonna kill Sadam. it's about freakin' time. they waited so long and we all knew they were going to off him anyways.

[Nekochii]

Wait...they might let him get parol after 50 years.
Will he even be alive in 50 years? I mean the guy was born on April 28 1937.

Edit: I just realized Saddam Hussein is an Aries like me. My God, I share the same astrological sign with a madman! :eek:

[Angel_Nosaj]

I think it's a mistake to sentence him to death, I don't care what crimes he commited, I'm against capital punishment to the very end.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Personally, I think they should rediscover the fine art of human shredding. It was good for Uday and Kusai....

Chipped dictator makes the flowers grow pretty.

[Nekochii]

It's too bad he was sentenced to death by hanging. I'd much rather see him get barbequed on the electric chair. Then after he's fully cooked we can all have Saddam sandwiches, yay! :D

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Actually, hanging is kinda fitting. Its all old west like. Yeehaw!

[Aratos]

I think it's a mistake to sentence him to death, I don't care what crimes he commited, I'm against capital punishment to the very end.

Indeed.

So, anyone want to predict how many hostages and suicide bombers it'd take to get him released if he was given life imprisonment?

@Nekochii: could be worse. You should see the list I share astrological signs with, both western and chinese zodiac. And even worse, i share my birthday with HG Wells. Argh!

[TonightMidnight]

Will he even be alive in 50 years? I mean the guy was born on April 28 1937.

Edit: I just realized Saddam Hussein is an Aries like me. My God, I share the same astrological sign with a madman! :eek:

That's what they said about Castro. I swear that man is immortal or something!

[Nekochii]

Well I wouldn't call Fidel Castro immortal since he's only around 80, though that's still pretty old to be running an entire country.

[Aratos]

Eh, it's only Cuba.

[TonightMidnight]

Well I wouldn't call Fidel Castro immortal since he's only around 80, though that's still pretty old to be running an entire country.

Yeah, that's how I meant it. It's weird. We learn about him in history class and he's still alive. Most people we learn about are dead.

[YamPuff]

Dpoes he really deserve a respectful burial, though? Not like anyone other tyrant gets such a thing.
It doesn't matter whether you deserve it or not. A human being is a human being and desecrating a body is not good. I don't know if its actually against the muslim religion, but I highly doubt that it's allowed.


Frankly, this thread is just sad. Gloating over someone being put to death and wishing it'll be painful and slow? Good job on sinking to his level.

[roxas87]

^people go crazy when they want to kill someone "important".

[Nekochii]

^people go crazy when they want to kill someone "important".
That's why I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of rioting and violent protests the day Saddam is going to be executed.

[TonightMidnight]

See...like I said, it would be better if he was just in prison for the rest of his life.

[roxas87]

i guess we will see when the time comes.

[Aratos]

See...like I said, it would be better if he was just in prison for the rest of his life.

And like I said, it can't take too many suicide bombers and important hostages to get him out again.



Frankly, this thread is just sad. Gloating over someone being put to death and wishing it'll be painful and slow? Good job on sinking to his level.

hang on, you're not suggesitng I'm with the gloaters and sadists are you? I'm just pointing out consequences!

[TheBohemian]

If all you're doing is pointing out consequences, here's one: we should've just assassinated him at the before this whole mess started. Would've saved so much trouble...

[Vicious]

{copies and pastes}

I think I remember the news recording Saddam saying, "Down with the invaders, down with the asians"

Ok so I'm guessing that the invaders [are] the United States... but the asians? Come on! Asians are nice people! They're like... all proper and stuff.

Not only that but he says, "God is great, you will all go to hell!" I'm not the religious type so I don't usually talk about this topic but if there IS a heaven / hell then I'm thinking, is God going to let him into heaven? I mean, maybe Saddam believes in a religion where killing people is ok. Like, in his opinions, killing is what God wants. Can you blame him for that? Which is why (and this is in my opinion, attack me however you want yosh!) I believe... religion is just plain stupid. I mean, I never said God doesn't exist, it's just the idea of religion is what makes me think that it's stupid.

~~~~~~~

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

[roxas87]

I believe... religion is just plain stupid. I mean, I never said God doesn't exist, it's just the idea of religion is what makes me think that it's stupid.
Just wanted to get that out of the way.
cant blame you for that since too many people try to make you join a religion that you dont want too and those people say if you dont believe in this religion God will never forgive you.

[Razgriz]

If all you're doing is pointing out consequences, here's one: we should've just assassinated him at the before this whole mess started. Would've saved so much trouble...
Well that would of happend in the last time we went to war with him but then that little thing about Japan waging war on us came up if we did.

As for religion being stupid my opinion on that is religion is simply a way to live your life. Those who put to much into it and make it thier very core existence are nothing but fanatics. Its not the religions people but the fanatics that do stupid crap like blowing thier self up.

[Aratos]

Well that would of happend in the last time we went to war with him but then that little thing about Japan waging war on us came up if we did.

Not to mention it'd've been probably the worst thing that could've happened. Assasination's a great way to make martyrs. And soncpiracys. Etc etc.

As for religion being stupid my opinion on that is religion is simply a way to live your life. Those who put to much into it and make it thier very core existence are nothing but fanatics. Its not the religions people but the fanatics that do stupid crap like blowing thier self up.

Really? Well I always thought that putting christ before everything else was the entire point of my religeon. Guess that makes me a raving fanatic that's likely to go postal?

[TheBohemian]

Not to mention it'd've been probably the worst thing that could've happened. Assasination's a great way to make martyrs. And soncpiracys. Etc etc.
Point.
But it's also likely that Saddam would be a martyr no matter how or when he died.


Really? Well I always thought that putting christ before everything else was the entire point of my religeon. Guess that makes me a raving fanatic that's likely to go postal?
Yeah, didn't you know? If you're at all religious, you're automatically a lunatic! :rolleyes:
I'll take narrow-minded generalisations for $600, Alex! ;)

[Aratos]

True, true, but the important point is that by being executed bu an Iraqi court after a fair trial, he's only a martyr to a small minority.

[TheBohemian]

So only half of Baghdad'll riot instead of three-quarters.
Nice.
LOL!

[Aratos]

Last time I checked, less than half of all Iraqis are sunnis. The shias are pretty happy about the whole thing.

If he'd been assasinated, what would likely of happened would be a mob-mentality "you killed our leader, we're gonna get revenge" as opposed to the current situation which for the most part is more "you've helped save us from the tyrant, and we're thankful for that."

[TheBohemian]

I think you're giving mankind too much credit.
Whether they're happy about it or not, it's easy to get caught up in the mob, that mentality, when you're in the midst of it. Whether it's out of grief and anger, or just the sheer Joy of liberation, man always seems to have a need to destroy after a historic event like that; even the grateful get wrapped up in it, as if by obliterating everything affected by whomever (in this case Saddam), touched by him, what have you, you could somehow forget he even existed.

Who knows; you're probably right. But gratitude comes in all shapes and forms...

[*Sakurafairy*]

Sure he's an evil guy, but do they really have to hang him?? His religion says he wont get into heaven that way, so the hangers are being pretty spitefull. Also their just giving him a moral victory because by doing it that way they're sorta admitting they think he could still get to whatever heaven he believes in. He should just be killed some other way, and whoever is up/down there can judge him after that :D

[Aratos]

Sorry, by hanging him under islamic law they're admiting that he can get into paradise if he wasn't hanged? Yessss.....

Maybe that's why the law states he should _be_ hanged?

[YamPuff]

Sure he's an evil guy, but do they really have to hang him?? His religion says he wont get into heaven that way, so the hangers are being pretty spitefull.
Excuse me? Where did you get that from? You can go into heaven inder any circumstances whatsoever so long as you deserved to get into heaven. Do you really think an all-powerful God would let a good person not go to heaven because some people hanged him?

[darkkat]

Excuse me? You can go into heaven inder any circumstances whatsoever so long as you deserved to get into heaven. Do you really think an all-powerful God would let a good person not go to heaven because people hanged him?

Are you saying that Saddam Hussein is a good person after admitting to his crimes? And Aratos's comments are "BLOL" [Byond Laughing Out Loud]

[TonightMidnight]

Are you saying that Saddam Hussein is a good person after admitting to his crimes? And Aratos's comments are "BLOL" [Byond Laughing Out Loud]

xD!

Whenever someone new comes to the forums and they call out other people who've been here for a while- it's HILARIOUS. I can't wait to see what happens next. *gets popcorn*

[Aratos]

Are you saying that Saddam Hussein is a good person after admitting to his crimes? And Aratos's comments are "BLOL" [Byond Laughing Out Loud]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Aratos/Memes/N6DU7QQ3TDRG7TUEAG5JWYDZJVYHRYFF.jpg

[YamPuff]

xD!

Whenever someone new comes to the forums and they call out other people who've been here for a while- it's HILARIOUS. I can't wait to see what happens next. *gets popcorn*
Me too! Ish always so fun.
Are you saying that Saddam Hussein is a good person after admitting to his crimes? And Aratos's comments are "BLOL" [Byond Laughing Out Loud]
:rolleyes: Ummm, duh, no, I'm replying to Sakurafairy's comment that if they hang him he 'can't' go to heaven because he was hanged. Read please...

[Aratos]

You know, I think I did come across some obscure religeous sect once that believed you could be denied entry into heaven if executed with a rope. Can't remember where i read it, though. 'twere a bit fo a wierd one.

[YamPuff]

Yeah, I'd imagine something like that exists somewhere.

[Vicious]

What I'm wondering is, what if like Saddam believed that what he did was right in God's eyes. I mean, what if he believed that God WANTED him to kill people. I mean, there's a lot of religions out there and you can't even tell whats right from wrong anymore!! It's making me crazy dammit!!!

I agree with what my friend said here, *ahem* "I think religion is a bit like communism in that in theory it could be good. But then people start putting it into practice and it turns out to be a horrible mess because they have to feel they're better than everyone else be it through religion, colour, race, class, tastes, genetics whatever." Yosh.

Now onto the topic. Where's that Osama Bin Laden guy?

[Nekochii]

Now onto the topic. Where's that Osama Bin Laden guy?
I have no idea, but it bothers me that it's taking the US so long to find the little bugger, I mean my God, it's been over 5 years.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

We have the storm troopers combing the desert sir.

[TonightMidnight]

What I'm wondering is, what if like Saddam believed that what he did was right in God's eyes. I mean, what if he believed that God WANTED him to kill people. I mean, there's a lot of religions out there and you can't even tell whats right from wrong anymore!! It's making me crazy dammit!!!

I agree with what my friend said here, *ahem* "I think religion is a bit like communism in that in theory it could be good. But then people start putting it into practice and it turns out to be a horrible mess because they have to feel they're better than everyone else be it through religion, colour, race, class, tastes, genetics whatever." Yosh.

Now onto the topic. Where's that Osama Bin Laden guy?

In the White House.

(Ok...so he's not. But I just felt like saying that. Lol.)

[Kaoru]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Aratos/Memes/N6DU7QQ3TDRG7TUEAG5JWYDZJVYHRYFF.jpg
haha that's great.

[kairi990]

I'm starting to believe that Bin Laden is dead....

[AnimeDudde]

xD!

Whenever someone new comes to the forums and they call out other people who've been here for a while- it's HILARIOUS. I can't wait to see what happens next. *gets popcorn*

Soo true :D This is probably my first post in this thread. I don't know much about politics so my opinion on this matter would be pretty useless. Carry on (btw: Carry on was an awesome song from the Sailor Moon dub)

EDIT: Naah, Bin Laden is too clever to be dead, as far as I know. We'll hear from him shortly, IMO. And for any Military spies on here, NO I dont know Bin Laden, Im just a canadian anime fan T_T

[TonightMidnight]

Soo true :D This is probably my first post in this thread. I don't know much about politics so my opinion on this matter would be pretty useless. Carry on (btw: Carry on was an awesome song from the Sailor Moon dub)

EDIT: Naah, Bin Laden is too clever to be dead, as far as I know. We'll hear from him shortly, IMO. And for any Military spies on here, NO I dont know Bin Laden, Im just a canadian anime fan T_T

Don't you find it amusing when new people come to the forums and instantly try to get smart or cynical with the veterans?

It's like:

SailorMoonIsMyHero1999


Join Date: 30 seconds ago
Posts Made: .01

"Veteran doesn't know what he's talking about! Veteran sucks- I'm right! Blah blah *psuedo-witty comment* blah blah *know it all statement* blah blah! So I'm better!!!!!!!"

Veteran

Join Date: Three years ago
Posts Made: 6,000

*Raises eye brow*

[Aratos]

I agree with what my friend said here, *ahem* "I think religion is a bit like communism in that in theory it could be good. But then people start putting it into practice and it turns out to be a horrible mess because they have to feel they're better than everyone else be it through religion, colour, race, class, tastes, genetics whatever." Yosh.


People who abuse religeon aren't true meembers of their religeon, and shouldn't be taken as representative.

Particularly as drawing attention to the extremists ignores the people that are actually doing some good in the world. Like all those charities, say. I mean, off the top of my head there's Christian Aid, Fairtrade, the Salvation Army (well, they're not really a charity, but y'get the idea), and those're just christian charities. I'm pretty sure there're ones ffrom other religeons that just don't happen to be particularly active in this area of the world. Y'don't need to follow the religeon to donate to them, and y'don't need to be religeous to get help from them, but they're there and they do a helluva lotta good.

Don't you find it amusing when new people come to the forums and instantly try to get smart or cynical with the veterans?

It's like:

SailorMoonIsMyHero1999


Join Date: 30 seconds ago
Posts Made: .01

"Veteran doesn't know what he's talking about! Veteran sucks- I'm right! Blah blah *psuedo-witty comment* blah blah *know it all statement* blah blah! So I'm better!!!!!!!"

Veteran

Join Date: Three years ago
Posts Made: 6,000

*posts insulting image*

Edit in bold

[YamPuff]

People who abuse religeon aren't true meembers of their religeon, and shouldn't be taken as representative.
*standing ovation*
Now about those atrocious typos....

Blame the people, I say, blame the people.

[Nekochii]

People who abuse religeon aren't true meembers of their religeon, and shouldn't be taken as representative.
Kind of like how I don't consider these protesters to be true Christians.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dMhCDKxPjHU

I guess every religion has it's share of crazy people. :rolleyes:

[Aratos]

"18 rated. No access unless you sign up."

I refuse to sign up to youtube! Details!

[YamPuff]

Neener neener neeeeener! :p Not telling!!

And its not just religion. There exist wacko extremist atheists. America--or any country for that matter--pulling away from religion certainly hasn't helped its crime rate or made it a better place.

[Aratos]

Athiests are by defiinition trouble-makers though. That's the problem with being compeltely anti-religeon. Can't have a proper conversation with them- unlike agnostics. Go agnostics etc etc!

[Nekochii]

"18 rated. No access unless you sign up."

I refuse to sign up to youtube! Details!
Didn't realize it was 18+, sorry.

I edited it my last post and changed it to the exact same news report on a different account that wasn't flagged.

[animefever]

It's about time that @$#%@$& died!