Gunman kills female students

[Jacku]

Story: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting/index.html

It's a shame. Those girls had nothing to do with anything but were killed.
Whenever I go to Lancaster it seems so nice and peaceful but not anymore.
Also there have been so many school shootings in such a short space of time.
It's messed up.
*sigh*

[Kaoru]

Crazy.

[binaryzero]

imagine if the Amish embraced things like metal detectors...

[Kantami]

poor girls they didnt do anything wrong and he just shot them :( this makes me really angry and i want to shoot him but hes dead

[Ichigosmiles]

sigh, Someone needs to stop all these school shootings, bombings etc. It's really getting out of hand.

[Jacku]

imagine if the Amish embraced things like metal detectors...

They might if such a thing meant safety.

The thing is the gunman just stormed into the school. He didn't go through any security measures at all.

[stickdeathgod]

jeez thats insane. I wish they would have said what he put in his suicide note thow

[AnimeDudde]

wtf!?? >_< Is this like what, the 3rd or 4th in the last month!?

[Jacku]

jeez thats insane. I wish they would have said what he put in his suicide note thow

Actually...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15113706/

Scroll down and you can see what his suicide note said.

*sigh*

PS: Interesting... Shooting myths (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/).

[Kaoru]

imagine if the Amish embraced things like metal detectors...
Or telephones. I heard in my Journalism class today that the teacher that ran for help had a hard time finding a phone there.

[TonightMidnight]

Females always tend to be the victims.

My cousin told me that a man in Canada was upset that he didn't get into a certain college. He also didn't like the fact that female students were getting into college so he took a gun to the college and shot every girl he saw.

[kairi990]

guys who shoot girls are nothing but losers..

sick, retarded losers...

[YamPuff]

I love the way this shooting was just made for hype. He's Amish. He shot only girls. Instant media flare. They don't even have to put any effort into it.

The guy was obviously mentally disturbed. What difference does it make the gender of the victims he killed? At least by getting rid of the boys he spared some lives. And even if they were in a fancy high school in New York or whatever this could have happened with the same consequences. Similar things have happened before elsewhere.

[Jacku]

The thing is so many school shootings have happened in just a week.
And this hits close to home to me (quite literally because of distance). I used to go to that area a lot when I was younger and never did it cross my mind that something like that could happen.
Oh and as far as I can tell the guy wasn't Amish.

[Ichigosmiles]

You live by there? Scary...

[Kaoru]

I heard today that the victim's relatives are forgiving the gunmen.

Crazy, crazy, crazy.

[Nekochii]

My cousin told me that a man in Canada was upset that he didn't get into a certain college. He also didn't like the fact that female students were getting into college so he took a gun to the college and shot every girl he saw.
Are you by any chance talking about the École Polytechnique massacre back in 1989?

[AnimeDudde]

I think she is. We had to write in essay on that in Psychology class. I have this whole article on it, its pretty freaky. Ever since the Columbine incident all the schools in my area have been doing 3 or 4 lockdown drills every year :/ At first I used to think it was pointless, more so than the fire drill, but I guess not so much anymore. Although, If I was anywhere near an exit Id probably run out of the school rather than going into a classroom, if some armed retard did happen to get into the school that is.

[yDiZv]

Its a topsey turby world, tragic along while spinning in a spiral of death.
-sighs- it was an amish school, they couldn't have prevented this from happening. Take notice to the region of the area also. But I don't find nothing to be mad about anymore.
The dying girl spoke in all for the victems and forgave him and so did the parents later on. Nothing else to cry over for, all there is to do is healing.

Yeah, just like Jesus would do.

[TonightMidnight]

Are you by any chance talking about the École Polytechnique massacre back in 1989?

There was a recent shooting at a Montreal college. Two of my cousins go there. My mom saw it on the news. This was back in September of this year.

But you're right about the shooting I mentioned in my previous post.

I heard today that the victim's relatives are forgiving the gunmen.

Crazy, crazy, crazy.

Really? Wow. It takes some real strength to do that. I don't think I ever could. Unless of course...the victims' parents are lying to look good.

[Jacku]

You live by there? Scary...

Well actually I live at least an hour (and maybe an extra half hour) away. Some may consider that far but to me it's "close." Must be my regular visits that made it seem that way.

[Aratos]

Really? Wow. It takes some real strength to do that. I don't think I ever could. Unless of course...the victims' parents are lying to look good.

That's what strong religeous belief's for. Loving religeon, Gods will etc etc. Going about it in exactly the right way.

[Nekochii]

There was a recent shooting at a Montreal college. Two of my cousins go there. My mom saw it on the news. This was back in September of this year.
Gosh, I hope your cousins were alright. I heard about that on the news. Now nobody at my school wants to go to college in Montreal.

[Meroko Yui]

I'm not blaming the Amish for what happened, but they seriously need to start using SOME form of security measures, such as phones and metal detectors, like Binaryzero was saying.

[Aratos]

I'm not blaming the Amish for what happened, but they seriously need to start using SOME form of security measures, such as phones and metal detectors, like Binaryzero was saying.

So what you're saying is that they should abandon their deeply held beliefs in the non-use of modern technology? That's called discrimination based on belief, that is.

[Nekochii]

Technology is a big no-no for the Amish. I say hire security (that are not Amish). If they're not allowed to use things like guns, radios, motor vehicles, ect. then hire people who can use them. It's better to be safe than sorry.

[binaryzero]

i don't see why they need security at all, because let's face it shootings like this are pretty rare. it would be overkill and a bit of a compromise on their beliefs to post security around in their town.

isn't that the issue with the government right now?
taking away our freedoms in payment for security?
sure we can be "safe" if you put armed guards on every block, and cameras at every intersection, but what good does it do our quality of life?

i think that's what the overhyping news is helping to achieve.
make the common american feel so afraid for their lives, they'll hand over anything.
this type of thing will always happen, that's just nature.
no amount of security can prevent violence and fury.

you're more likely to be hit by lightning coming out of a monkey's ass than die in an act of terror.

[YamPuff]

That's exactly what I think. I mean, look at the amount of murder, theft, rape, etc. goes on every single day in cities that are up to their necks in security. One act of violence by some crazy guy doesn't mean much. He could have waited outside the building and than shot the kids. He could have setr the building on fire. Or he could have been one of the security guards.

I am in complete agreement with the Amish and have total respect for their choice. I think their way of life is so much more meaningful than people give them credit for.

[Aratos]

I say abolish the right to bear arms. No guns, no shooty.

[Kaoru]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/CRUMMER/bear_arms.jpg
Yee-ha!

[Aratos]

That's the spirit!

Anyway, what happened to the rights to bare legs and bare midrifs, anyway?

Seriously, though, we more or less banned firearms full stop after the Dunblane incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Massacre), and it seems to've done the trick. Kinda. Or maybe the upped secuirty in schools such as door handles that had to be turned the wrong way are also linked. Hmm.

[Jacku]

Something about security:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111439/
Sure made me wonder about things. If someone is really determined to shoot people would he/she stop to go through a metal detector?

[Aratos]

It's called metal piercings. It's a good excuse.

That and plastic gunstocks.

[Jacku]

I didn't mean it that way. I meant something along the lines of "I can't wait to shoot that bastard I hate." *runs pass the metal detectors to shoot someone*

[Aratos]

Well the general idea is that the security folk should be trained to deal with anyone fool enough to do that. Y'may have a point though.

[Jacku]

Well hopefully security can deal with someone with a gun and not get shot in the process.
X|

[roxas87]

maybe the amish people should try getting information about the people living there, like background checks.

[preciousstarnhsnt]

I've never heard of Amish. Can someone explain please.

It's awful but I also agree with Yampuff. Media is awful, They make a big deal over one thing when twice that many deaths happens every day. Not to say it wasn't bad but you know.

[Kaoru]

I've never heard of Amish. Can someone explain please.
Read up! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish)

[preciousstarnhsnt]

Thanks kaoru.

Isn't it a federal law that people get religious holidays off?

[*Sakurafairy*]

Im sure most of you saw the news about the shooting of several amish children by a non-amish man, who walked into their school and tied them up for a while before killing them and himself.

But I wonder if you saw a follow up story a little while afterwards.
The Amish community involved went to the murderers funeral, mourned for him, invited his wife to their funerals, and set up a benifit fund for her and her family.
Perhaps this doen't seem so wierd to you, but think about it.
Most religions preach total and utter forgiveness, but not that many people carry it out. Its simply not in human nature to readily forgive a complete stranger who killed your friends or family.

I don't know all that much about the Amish, just general things, and im not one myself obviously(otherwise I wouldn't be using the computer) but I gotta have a lot of respect for what they did and their simple but happy lives.

What are your thoughts on this?

[Aratos]

I think we've already discussed it (http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5793).

That said, I'll point out my opinion again: I see it as nothing new. Most real christians have a similar attitude to such things. Might not have much attention drawn to it, but it happens a lot. Hell, the pope went and visited the fellow in prison who shot him. I don't really see anything special about this incident: to me it's completely natural and it's what I'd do. I'd also be pretty upset if someone shot me and people didn't forgive them. Just the way I am, I suppose. Gods will, etc etc.

[*Sakurafairy*]

I think we've already discussed it (http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5793).


arghh crap. I did search I swear :(