Don't like some of the things you see?

[Vaddi]

Have you looked around the site lately at your fellow member’s pages? If so, you might have noticed more and more users uploading adult images and porn into their art and photo galleries, blogs devoted to adult topics, slash fictions depicting sex and violence, hentai videos, and more. We need to start flagging these offenses in masse in order to declare to the site administrators that there is something that should not be viewed by minors.

I’ve already found over a hundred separate offenses on the website so far, and that’s only going through a fraction of user pages on the site. The site administrators need you help in combating this scourge first before we can tackle the issue of copyright infringement, because we need to make the site safe for all users so we don’t have to fear what children may find on the site.

If you feel that flagging isn’t doing enough, then post ALL of the links you find onto this thread, and I will forward them along to the site administrators. With your help, we can clear the smut off the site and make it a friendlier place for all.

[Iblis]

Porn and violence doesn't bother me in the least, and neither does internets rule breaking. I'm afraid I'm going to have to trust you to hunt down all offenders. Hop to it.

[YamPuff]

Its a losing battle...we delete. they post more. We delete more they posts more than before. If the site itself doesn't start doing something the difference us mere civillians can make is minimal.

But if I find anything I'll post it here.

[Mitzuki]

It isnt that their doing nothing but have you ever given the tought that it takes Time to do all that stuff. It might not just be a matter of clicking and deleting it.

[YamPuff]

Even so, they aren't doing their job of keeping the site clean. Time or not, this site is going crazily out of hand.

[Vicious]

And who is to blame? T.V. of course!

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Like Yampoof said, it's a losing battle. This stuff is bound to show up! It is inevitable!

[Mitzuki]

They are doing their best and you cant do more then your best. Untill you have your own site as this and know how it is to run it you will never understand the work that is put into it

[YamPuff]

If this is their best, then they shouldn't have made a site of this magnitude. You don't go making something like this if you don't have the capability to maintain it.

[Mitzuki]

So your telling me that when you make something you know whats going to happen after before you actualy do it?

[Arcademan]

You don't go making something like this if you don't have the capability to maintain it.

As much as I don't want to speak ill against TOKYOPOP, you are absolutely correct.

I know they're new to the system however the one thing I've always told myself is to expect the worst. I think it will get better over a period of time. The forum was a spamfest until they got a moderating team in place, the same will happen with the blogs, photos, art and website in general but the sooner TOKYOPOP can assemble a team of enforcers dedicated to keep and maintain it the better. The last thing I want is to have the place get a bad reputation for posting smut and copyrighted stuff.

[YamPuff]

So your telling me that when you make something you know whats going to happen after before you actualy do it?
Yes. I do research. I plan for the worst.

Do you really think they never heard of MySpace? YouTube? What did they think was going to happen? That no one would dare to break copyright policy? Its not my problem that their site is filled with this junk, its theirs, no matter how hard they try. I mean, if the president sunk a whole country into debt and poverty, would the people go around saying 'hes doing his best'?
The last thing I want is to have the place get a bad reputation for posting smut and copyrighted stuff.
I know. I'm disappointed they didn't forsee this and prepare for it.

[Mitzuki]

But if your not willing to help it rise again you cant complain about the people who are trying there best to keep it to a minimum atleast. But thats my opinion. If its such an eyesore then do the best you can to help instead of just complaining dont you think

[Aratos]

Well I personally think there's sever-end 1D-10-T-BKAC error. That and they should've htought about it more, I mean I'd say that any problems should've been sorted out by now. It's not like it's complicated to do.

[YamPuff]

Yeah, I don't see how we should become responsible because they can't manage their own site.

I mean, I don't mind helping out. I do it all the time on the forums here, pointing out spam threads and reminding people they're off-topic. But at least the forum has some rhyme and reason to it, unlike the main site. If the entire meassage board is a mess, I'm not going to bother myself. I have to care about the place first before I try helpng it.

[Vaddi]

It’s a losing battle...we delete. they post more. We delete more they posts more than before. If the site itself doesn't start doing something the difference us mere civilians can make is minimal.

But if I find anything I'll post it here.

Effectively their original thinking is outlined here in an interview on the 31st: http://www.mangablog.net/?p=565

I'll direct you to this part:

MangaBlog: Why did you choose not to moderate the blogs and fan sections? Will you do so in future?

Matt Nixon (site admin): At this point, it’s designed to be self-policing. There is a way for people to flag content; if it’s inappropriate, it’s removed automatically. Also, if there is anything odd or out of place, [users] can bring it up in the forums or communicate it directly to us. At some point it will be moderated. People can do what they want within reason, and for the most part the community has been very responsible. I don’t think I have had one instance of anything brought to my attention in terms of adult content.


Until they can get the moderators in place, it's our responsibility to help clean up the site.

[Aratos]

So it's a "we can't be bothered, do it yourself" kind of thing, then?

[YamPuff]

Heh.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to baby this site because they're too lazy to do it for themselves. I don't hold myself responsible for the laziness and irresponsibility of others.

[Mitzuki]

Like i said they are doing their best and working as hard as they can but this isnt their only problem.

Also i never said you should baby the site. But if if there is something bothering you, you should do something about it because just complaining about it and saying others should hurry to fix things because its bothering you is what i call lazy

[Aratos]

But if if there is something bothering you, you should do something about it because just complaining about it and saying others should hurry to fix things because its bothering you is what i call lazy

So is saying "self moderation by the plebs is a good policy" when actually bringing in a system that works would be oh-so-simple.

[Kaoru]

Have you looked around the site lately at your fellow member’s pages? If so, you might have noticed more and more users uploading adult images and porn into their art and photo galleries, blogs devoted to adult topics, slash fictions depicting sex and violence, hentai videos, and more. We need to start flagging these offenses in masse in order to declare to the site administrators that there is something that should not be viewed by minors.....If you feel that flagging isn’t doing enough, then post ALL of the links you find onto this thread, and I will forward them along to the site administrators. With your help, we can clear the smut off the site and make it a friendlier place for all.
heh. I laughed when I read this. Think about it. If it really is "porn", then why would we post a link to it here?
dur'd de der!

[AnimeDudde]

*sighs* Why do we even need a TP Space in the end? I know I wanted a Sexy profile thing but... We have My Space and Youtube for all that already, I think the TP Spaces should be deleted in the end. Best way to solve the problem. Only way if you ask me. Unless TP wants to hire a thousand moderaters who check the site 24/7...

TokyoPop is supposed to lead the manga revolution, not make online Spaces and crap.

[Andre]

I think the concept of selfpolicing is a good one, as fans should be doing that anyways to some degree. Obviously, it's a big site, and TP is probably still working on getting mods set up...... the site has undergone many changes, so I myself don't really have a problem, as people are working on things.

I would like to point out that selfpolicing is hard if we can't comment on the item in question, or on the person's profile. TP needs to set up their mod system to have universal access of some kind once it's in place so they can comment on these more private journals [I don't see anything wrong with this sort of thing, as in normal circumstances, and on most blogs, limiting your site to friends-only is common]

[Vaddi]

heh. I laughed when I read this. Think about it. If it really is "porn", then why would we post a link to it here?


Ah, I can see where you might have been confused. This thread was meant as a tool alerting site administrators to user content that should be removed immediately. I can already sense what Mitzuki will say: "There is already a system in place, flagging."

The problem is that there are few site administrators to work on the difficult task of trying to sort through all of the flagged reports to see which violate the rules, which are were done in accident, and which were done on purpose. A lot of times, this will result in the “Boy who cried wolf” situation, where site administrators could start to become jaded to certain people’s flags. The flags also don’t state why a item is being flagged, only that a flag was tripped. This thread will allow the site administrators to not only know what needs to get removed quickly, but why the item needs to be removed.

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[Aratos]

The girl in Anid's avvie's only twelve? Really?

ANyway, it 's already been decided that said avatar is suitable. Deal.

[renrenren]

this is a good point. however, for someone dumb like me, i will (& have) flag my own crap (because i didn't know what flagging was). :rolleyes:

[Mitzuki]

@ Vaddi

1) Not to sound rude but a piece of advice..Dont ever asume what im going to say when you dont know me (actualy dont asume what people are thinking at all)

2) AniD's Avater was accepted and it's final with that. He asked if it was okey to use the Signature and avater that he has now and all the mods online at that time (including the one who can remove them) have agreed that it is harmless.

Please do not act like you know stuff about things that have been discussed before you came along nor presume that we are blind. With the post average that AniD has its only logical that we have noticed and it would have been removed if needed like many others from that were impropper.

[Iblis]

And my poor chinchin av was ordered removed for "showing too much skin". :<

[Himura_77]

I noticed something on this 4 page-long thread, no one has posted a link to any content yet, and the one that was there I didn't look at.

http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/member.php?u=7145 - This guy's profile picture has really been bugging me as seeing it hasn't been removed, it's just really vulgar and gross.

I'll be sure to come here and post anything more I find inappropriate, because I REALLY don't want to leave this forum because of offensive content appearing, but I will if I absolutely have to.

[Arcademan]

Recommended thing to do...contact the administrators if it bugs you that much however the best thing to do is stop looking at his profile.

See. Simple.

[Kaoru]

Ah, I can see where you might have been confused. This thread was meant as a tool alerting site administrators to user content that should be removed immediately. I can already sense what Mitzuki will say: "There is already a system in place, flagging."
And that's supposer to allow us to post suspected porn how exactly? It's still against the rules.

Now, I already found an instance of an adult image here on the forums.

http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/image.php?u=2809&dateline=1155077638
You must think anything that shows skin an 'adult image'. I think his avi is just mocking Tokyopop's choice to censor the cover of an Instant Teen volume.

Anyways I think it's funny that there has yet to one posted link to any suspected porn from the main site here. I declare this thread a failure.

[Tavisha]

So, does this mean I can't post Kanamara Matsuri images here?
Its not Japanese porn, its a real cultural event. ^________^

EDIT: Link disabled...

[PeterAhlstrom]

Yeah...please don't. >_< Statues count as artistic depiction, just like ero-manga.

And did KaziNeko change his picture? I don't see anything disturbing there now.

[Arcademan]

And did KaziNeko change his picture? I don't see anything disturbing there now.

Guess there was an issue with the profile picture, not the avatar picture. Don't see anything too out of the ordinary with it myself.

[alucard666]

he changed it already.

[Tavisha]

Yeah...please don't. >_< Statues count as artistic depiction, just like ero-manga.

ooops~! Gomen~!!! I seriously never saw it that way >_____<**** What about tanuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanuki)?

[Himura_77]

And did KaziNeko change his picture? I don't see anything disturbing there now.
Guess there was an issue with the profile picture, not the avatar picture. Don't see anything too out of the ordinary with it myself.

Just look closely at the profile picture for a couple minutes, it may take a little time to notice. Many have commented on this already vulgar picture already :p!

@Arcademan: Ok, I'll let it be :p, sorry for the inconvenience!

[Arcademan]

Just look closely at the profile picture for a couple minutes, it may take a little time to notice. Many have commented on this already vulgar picture already :p!

If many have commented on it, why didn't they inform me about it?

Simple...it must not be a major problem.

Take my advice from my previous post. Consider the topic closed on this matter.

[AnimeDudde]

What... is it that you can see the middle finger? @.@

[Derurasu]

Well just to tell you. there are alot of hentai artist. just yesterday I got a hentai doujin for 20$ at a regular comic store. Plus i know there is alot of yaoi fan girls who do alot of fiction hentai slashes on naruto or any other anime. Also did oyu ever herd of rule 34#?
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/Derurasu/pornofeverything.jpg

[Aratos]

Ah, yes, rules #34 and #35. Of course we've all heard of it! Most of us here are /b/tard or have visited 4chan enough to know the rules.

On the subject of which, I'm invoking rule #41 desu.

[YamPuff]

I wouldn't have belived rule no. 34 had I not heard of Kirby and My Little Pony porn. But let's not get into that.

[Aratos]

Oh, rule #34 is always right brecause of rule #35 desu: if porn does not exist of x subject, it is the duty of /b/ to create it desu.

[YamPuff]

It all makes sense now...so....beautiful.......@_______________@

[AnimeDudde]

Haha My Little Pony porn @.@

[WilliamRLBaker]

I'm new...but didn't really see any one mention if pictures are reviewed before they are uploaded this is usually mandatory on most sites with art work picture uploading that have a TOS that restricts the posting of porn.

just my 2 cents.. I've yet to see any porn on the main site but if i do ill make sure to flag it..

[Aratos]

Pictures aint reviewed precisely becasue the whole thing's self-(destructive)-moderating. They don't need to review it because they expect us to.

[WilliamRLBaker]

well they will notice that people aren't too keen on self moderating the place they live.

Even if they dont agree with what they see they still wont self moderate. I self moderate any place i go to if i see some thing that violates TOS then i report it.

but it would be less of a hassle in the long run that images have to be ok'd by admins...ect before they will upload. but thats just opinion.

[Aratos]

Less of a hassle for who? The people visiting the site, or the admins who have to spend every waking hour confirming hundreds of uplaods per day?

[WilliamRLBaker]

Its there jobs and they can easily appoint people to review things.
the people whom visit the site are what make the site with out them there is no site and no tokyopop.

Tokyopop is a big company i think they have the knowledge and means to appoint good forthstanding people with the right mindset to review uploads of pictures.

As for that Not all people post bad pictures say about 1-5 and it only takes about 5 seconds to recognize if its a bad picture so review,5 seconds if its bad click yes to allow upload or click no to not allow.
Its just opinion any ways It probly wont happen but most of the bigger sites usually impliment such measures.

[YamPuff]

Yes, but if they had other people do the monitering, what would people who have no lives do in our spare time I ask you. We have nothing better to do in our spare time than moniter other people's sites because they are lasy to bother. What were put on this earth for? What will be our purpose in life if we are deprived of our only pleasure?!

[TonightMidnight]

*Shakes head* Poor Vaddi. Welcome to the Internet. I used to be like him. Shocked at the things that people would put up on the Internet. Now, it doesn't phaze me. So, if I see anything inappropriate I just usually sigh and move on, because I know I am powerless to stop it like someone mentioned a while back in the thread.

So you better get used to it, Vaddi. People like to see other people naked.

[Arcademan]

If there are any issues with what pictures people are posting, notify the moderators or the administrators. This is NOT the thread to do such. Thank You.

[Arcademan]

Okay...I deleted about 20 or so posts. This thread is to report things that may be unacceptable on the website by members. If there's any questions or complaints about member's pictures, avatars and sig pics on the FORUM (Note that word people!!!) contact the moderators and/or administrators about it and not make it a public lynching. Now that the ground rules are set, let's try this again.