what is goth???

[ichigo the goth]

ok ive been "goth" for years but no one can give me an actual discription of what it is...so how do u know if u r really goth or poser:confused: :confused: ?

[Kaoru]

Goths. People really throw that word around and it makes me sick. Here's and exptlaiton of what it really is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth) I don't think I am but I like black clothes -looks at avatar-.

[ichigo the goth]

well i do know that goth used to be a barberian

[Kaoru]

Oh, I thought you meant the modern meaning, which is in all actuality just a label now.

[ichigo the goth]

yes i know...and thank u very much

[extriandreamer]

now, it pretty much means anything black and dark.

[tomselleck69]

if you are irrationally in love with the bauhaus, siouxsie, anne rice and the sandman, don't understand why people are "over" jhonen vasquez, accessorize in ankhs & hot topics keychains, don't see anything wrong with pleather pants, chances are you're a goth.

also dressing the part is key, unless you're over 30.

[Dusty Chalk]

What happens if you're over 30? I'll stop wearing black when there's something darker (I'm 42).

My definition of goth is, those of us who try to see the beauty in the darker facets of existence.

[tomselleck69]

What happens if you're over 30? I'll stop wearing black when there's something darker (I'm 42).

My definition of goth is, those of us who try to see the beauty in the darker facets of existence.
i guess that was aimed in the direction of the really far-out fashion/makeup ensembles, which are kind of emblems (although not necessarily accurate representations) of goth culture to non-goths. i mean, if people can continue to pull off the look as they approach early middle age, more power to them---but as with members of most subcultures, it doesnt strike me that a majority of goths can do so.

in any event, black is always in good taste, and i find alot of the more subtle fashion adult goths sport to be seriously classy.


and of course your definition (in direct contrast to mine) takes a dignified, intelligent approach and implies that it's a mindset, and that one does not need a check list of interests and items to be considered "goth."

UGH THE NERVE OF SOME PEOPLE---NOT BEING JERKS OVER THE INTERNET.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Vandals are better.

[Dusty Chalk]

No, I was just afraid I would turn into a pumpkin or something if I tried to truly dress the part. (I did go to Dracula's Ball. [Did you know Dracula had balls? Apparently he has several.])UGH THE NERVE OF SOME PEOPLE---NOT BEING JERKS OVER THE INTERNET.Buzzcocks are so pop-punk!

There, feel better?

[Kenji08]

i know its mainly used as a label for people who wear dark clothing and act emotionless

[Jacku]

i know its mainly used as a label for people who wear dark clothing and act emotionless

Would that make me goth? I wear black (part of my school uniform is black) and according to my friends I am "stoic."
Psh.

[mangachick28]

I wear black. But I guess I don't fit because I get really hyper sometimes. But I have a morbid mind and twisted sense of humour. Am I just weird?

[tomselleck69]

No, I was just afraid I would turn into a pumpkin or something if I tried to truly dress the part. (I did go to Dracula's Ball. [Did you know Dracula had balls? Apparently he has several.])Buzzcocks are so pop-punk!

There, feel better?
i would have guessed that he had at least three.

and arrhghghgh yes, maybe technically, but 70s pop-punk ≠ 00s pop-punk.

[Kantami]

Goths well a typical goth is black dark and loves rock or metal music! They are dark mysterious and hate chavs!! I have to be an emo/goth on Wednesday! Haha its going to be funny! Hehe As for posers they wear stuff like "ROCK CHIC" on their t-shirts and wear over over baggy trousers and listen to son of dork,busted,avril lavigne,mcfly yesh fake rock! HAHAH!

[Kantami]

ok sorry for double posting but I just have to say this to this is to Mangachick 28! I love yuki! Yuki rules! I love him sooooo much!! Prince *aahh lol kyo is hot though!

[nikitia]

so i thought you may want to see this, i picked it up from another messagebroard i visit now and then.



This is a newsletter that St. Mary's church in Denver, CO sent out.
you can read the article at any of the following: oh inapropriate language may be used on a few of these sites

http://www.animetunes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616&highlight=laugh

http://mehve.com/chain_001.php

http://www.starlightmints.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=168&sid=85a4bfb3895d551f3a78225af33b2169

http://spaces.msn.com/12forsaken/blog/cns!AE9CBF2A9064624F!278.entry?

http://jesusfreakbob.blogspot.com/


i would also like to state, i'm guilty of over twenty of the points on the list, now and when i was in school. and i am neither now nor ever been a goth.

[Dusty Chalk]

I am guilty of over 50% of those things, yet "being a goth" is the least of my problems -- at least I socialize.

I'm guessing that 90% of teenagers have been guilty of 5 or more of those things at many points in their lives: talks too much, talks too little, insists on spending time with friends unsupervised by an adult, complains of boredom...sounds like a typical teenager to me.

[nikitia]

personally, i don't think there is a person alive that's not guilty of at least 5 of those. how is budda a gothic god? seriously? why not put breaths on the list too

[chriswithchrist]

I think goth is more than just some clothing, because you see it in the music, their attitudes, and other influeces.

[Nekochii]

Goth can be many things, from modern goths to classic goths and even ramantic or religious goths. Here's an article about all the different types of goths and gothic culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth

[revolution]

depends on who you're asking.
which is basically why i don't identify with any label, because people are always going to say i'm something else.

[Kyattsuai]

It's a label. Labels are not nice. Because you're sorting everyone into 'boxes', but, you cannot measure people by the same standards.

But there was this woman on the GO Train, she always wore gothic stuff, I believe she was over thirty, but she was very pretty. SHe stood out, but...well, that's alright.

[decemberantommy]

Goth to me is art! Art is what makes the world unique!

[SweetNymph]

Goth is the new Preppie.

[Nekochii]

People often confuse goth with emo. I use to do it all the time. Even now I still sometimes get the two mixed up.

[Leon Strife]

Goth is wearing tons of black clothes and gallons of makeup. Like Marilyn Manson.

[Suranime12345]

Goth is wearing tons of black clothes and gallons of makeup. Like Marilyn Manson.

For the Record, Manson is a Satanist, which holds true for only a hanful of regular "goths":p
Goths were a germanic tribe that ransacked the Roman Empire, with little success, and eventually moved to Spain where they were defeated by Muslims.

Their style featured big stained glass windows, flying butresses, and the like

Nowadays, the term goth means as stated above...random, isn't it:D

[Nekochii]

For the Record, Manson is a Satanist, which holds true for only a hanful of regular "goths":p
Really? Manson is a Satanist? And I thought all that dark make-up and emo attitude was just for show.

[Suranime12345]

Really? Manson is a Satanist? And I thought all that dark make-up and emo attitude was just for show.

o_0
He was at one point, and very well could be now.
I saw it on Vh1 and then again on the internet

He also married Rose McGowan, I think, which is funny considering there could have been an episode of charmed wherein they vanquish him:D

[Himura_77]

^ He isn't a self-proclaimed antichrist superstar for nothing :D! My cousin told me though that he read Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) takes his mother to church on Sundays though :eek: (w/o the makeup though)!

Edit: My brother plays the remake of Sweet Dreams every once in a while to drive my mom absolutely nuts :D! She loves the original Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics and hates Marilyn Manson's remake of it!

[chocopocko]

so i thought you may want to see this, i picked it up from another messagebroard i visit now and then.



This is a newsletter that St. Mary's church in Denver, CO sent out.
you can read the article at any of the following: oh inapropriate language may be used on a few of these sites

http://www.animetunes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616&highlight=laugh

i would also like to state, i'm guilty of over twenty of the points on the list, now and when i was in school. and i am neither now nor ever been a goth.

dang. they said five is a worry but i got 22. ummm...whats wrong with eating Count Chocula?i suppose i have been corrupted by Satan. sorry people.

but yeah, goth is not like worshipping evil, weraing black all the time, etc, etc. its been pretty well defined. also, seeing beauty in darkness.

[animevampire99]

-*****Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.
-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)
-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
-Plays videos games that contains violence or are of a role-playing nature.
These made me roll on the floor, holding my gut
Gothic cereal? How low can they go? lol
I dressed in what is referred to as a gothic manner last year, but I am a very strong believer in God, prayer regularly, and am not afraid to tell people that (I dress preppy now, as I lost interest in constant black, though I still love gothic music ^_^). I think that many young teens have ruined the beauty of what gothic is, and made it a symbol of the devil and patheticness overall. Gothic is the beauty of what we cannot see, finding beauty in the darkest of times, and bringing yourself to another world that is all its own, not some satanic place for lame high schoolers to cut themselves. Although I am only thirteen, I have a deep understanding of the context of the word and feel it has become a piece of pop culture for the masses to throw around and place on people.

[chocopocko]

Gothic is the beauty of what we cannot see, finding beauty in the darkest of times, and bringing yourself to another world that is all its own, not some satanic place for lame high schoolers to cut themselves.

that is a lot more about gothic. good description.

lame high schoolers cutting themseleves...thats emo people, not gothic. despite what most may think, there is quite a difference.

[animevampire99]

^_^ seriously, I am tired of that mixup lol

[Nekochii]

lame high schoolers cutting themseleves...thats emo people, not gothic. despite what most may think, there is quite a difference.
Couldn't some kids be a mixture of both goth and emo like those kids from South Park?

[SkullKihd]

hahaha! depressed people who whine alot?

[tomselleck69]

lame high schoolers cutting themseleves...thats emo people, not gothic. despite what most may think, there is quite a difference.
kids who cut their wrists and kids who do the emo thing are not mutually exclusive.

throughout the the history of time, lots of members of lots of categories have cut their wrists. businessmen, librarians, metalheads, fat people, construction workers, animal rights activists, housewives, gg allin, the list goes on...

[beck1]

o_0
He was at one point, and very well could be now.
I saw it on Vh1 and then again on the internet

He also married Rose McGowan, I think, which is funny considering there could have been an episode of charmed wherein they vanquish him:D
He was Engaged to Rose Mcgowan he married Dita Von Teese

[Drunken_butterfly]

Well well well.... isn't this a thread full of stereotypes >_< lol
It's not quite as all you guys have said, and yes there are goths that do where black and such... but that's more of the gothic sub-culture/fashion. Although the real type of goth is much more deep! i'm not the 'best' at describing this but go here http://www.blood-dance.net/goth/grant.html it describes what goths are ^_^

[beck1]

haha no thanks im out

[moshie]

Goth is the music u listen 2 and the style u dress in

[pancakes621]

i dont really know i think its a person who like black a bit too much and is really fun to be with (my big brother is one i think...)

[AnimeDudde]

So Goths can only listen to Goth music? What if a Goth really really really liked this awesome hip hop? :S

[Animechick20]

I don't sterotype we are who we are, we dressed how we want and others should accept other people for who they are inside. That's my view anyway

[Kaoru]

So Goths can only listen to Goth music?
I really don't think there are set rules for being a goth.

[pancakes621]

there arnt they just do what they wanna

usually get drunk go to party and be really cool ^^

[Nekochii]

All I know is that I've never met a goth who dresses all in pink and listens to Britney Spears.

[pancakes621]

HAHAHAHAHA that wouldnt be a goth then.

since i live with one i think i know what one is but i might be wrong

normally they dress all in black and listen to Murderdols or Slipknot

[Kaoru]

I always thought goths tend to listen to The Cure, The Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, Joy Division, Bauhaus, Nine Inch Nails and all those weird bands that I think are awesome.

[pancakes621]

um.... the last bit is probably true but got lost in middle bit and the biginning bit i did get

[Nekochii]

HAHAHAHAHA that wouldnt be a goth then.
No it wouldn't, so I guess that kind of proves that goth dose sort of depend on how you dress and what type of music you listen to. I personally would never bacome a goth. Not because I have anything against them, but I have checked out gothic clothing stores downtown and their clothes are so damn expensive! Holy crap, goths sure have a lot of money!

[Kaoru]

No it wouldn't, so I guess that kind of proves that goth dose sort of depend on how you dress and what type of music you listen to.
I think it just proves there are certain things that disqualify people for being labeled as goth.

Are you talking about Hot Topic by any chance? You go there and the pants there and it's like $40...rip-off.

[Nekochii]

Are you talking about Hot Topic by any chance? You go there and the pants there and it's like $40...rip-off.
Ya I've been to Hot Topic before, but the store I'm talking about was like a boutique, can't remeber the name though, only that it was expensive as hell. $80.00 for a skirt, are they kidding me?!

[Gaara]

goth....people who say they are goth are usually not...i know people who wear black all the time and one day i find them wearing all blue and found out they ran out of black clothes lmao....i have nothing against goths unless they smoke or drink or have to many piercings.....Hot Topic has some anime stuff that i buy sometimes pretty cheap.....now emos on the other hand....i just don't like them

[Nekochii]

i have nothing against goths unless they smoke or drink or have to many piercings.
What about regular people who drink, smoke, and have piercings? It's not fair to say you don't like goths for those reasons because lots of non-goths do it too (unless you don't like them as well).

[sparda@sephiroth666]

Goth A Human With No Personal Feelings At All And Probalbly Worship Devil But Im Almost The Same....i Have No Feelings To Some Extent

[chocopocko]

.....now emos on the other hand....i just don't like them

its people like you that make them emo in the first place. dont discriminate.

@sparda i do hate to repest myself but do not discriminate! dont say that all goths steal, i can guarantee you that they dont all stael. thats a very bad assumption. everyone steals.

[pancakes621]

What is an "Emo"? Is it another form of Goth or something? I mean, I've been called an "Emo" dozens of times at school just because I like to wear black nail polish.

[Kentra]

a goth is people that wear black and red .

[Nekochii]

What is an "Emo"? Is it another form of Goth or something? I mean, I've been called an "Emo" dozens of times at school just because I like to wear black nail polish.
To be honest, I'm not a hundred percent sure myself, but here are some articles from wikipedia that may help give you a better idea about emo culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28slang%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28music%29

[Animechick20]

Emo's, goth's, chav's are all sterotypes! And don't actually mean anything!!! My friend told me that Emo's are like rockers with a side fringe and like mcfly!! But I don't believe that

[Kaoru]

a goth is people that wear black and red .
Aw, don't label people by there clothes.

[Tavisha]

I've been a part of the Los Angeles/Hollywood gothic subculture for nearly my entire 40 years of life. I'm sure my family must had known I was a bit different after personally choosing Walt Disney's The Haunted Mansion to be my first story book record at age 5. I thought the Munsters and Addams Family were the perfect families~ they were fun and wore awesome unconventional clothes and lived in huge houses with secret passages and cool creatures. I wish Halloween Town was a real place to vacation at, but luckily there's at least Nightmare Before Christmas. I don't believe in mere labels, and I feel the gothic communities have unfortunately been, for the most part, sorely misunderstood over the many years. I'd like to share with everyone this informative link that plainly expresses many key points I believe to be true in what exactly the gothic movement is. (http://www.goth.net/goth.html) For me, personally, being gothic is a way of life, its a subculture and community that just happens to sometimes celebrate ...well, what the majority in society consider macabre~or even sometimes taboo. The macabre is not negative to me, nor are the darker things associated with death or the fanciful monsters we've created in our various folklore~ these are the things in life that give me countless inspirations for my art, designs and stories. What can I say, I love Hello Kitty, skulls & bats with equal adoration. ^__________^ And if I could, I'd have a tea party with Rawhead and Bloody Bones at Disneyland, CA.

[Drunken_butterfly]

ok so maybe my last attempt at desribing goth didn't work... but this site has the same 'goth with a sledgehammer' http://www.fehq.org/public/whatgoth.htm

check. it. out!

[Tavisha]

ok so maybe my last attempt at desribing goth didn't work... but this site has the same 'goth with a sledgehammer' http://www.fehq.org/public/whatgoth.htm

check. it. out!

Thank you SO much for that link~! I especially love this excerpt:

How Do I Become Goth?
I hate to break it to you, but Goth is not something you can just learn. Gothic people grew up that way. Most people do not have the genuine sense of wonder, creativity, talent, open-mindedness, and appreciation of the duality of existence, nor of themselves and their abilities that makes a person genuinely Goth. While some of these things can be learned over the course of years, most of it can only be emulated. To emulate something strongly implies that the action is neither original nor genuine. That is just not Goth.

Time and time again some of my lesser understanding family members would prattle and sneer, that how I was dressing and what I collected (anime & manga included), and the music I was listening to was only a phase. Or they'd try to blame it on my friends~! XD 35 years later, I still enjoy collecting the same things in addition to all the new things in life I've discovered. I was lucky to know what I liked (as opposed to just following along to what I was told I was supposed to like and then end up not really liking it) and I wasn't afraid to ever express myself. I do think being in the gothic scene -or any scene, is just a phase for some people, but for others, like myself and Rikki, it really is more than just a scene or image. We grew up with it and had no reason in the world to ever grow out of it~(much like how we're part of the Anime/Manga community <3). For me, especially as an artist, being part of the gothic community has been a very creative lifestyle that has always kept me inspired.

And no, Emo is not part of any gothic sub-genre.
Emo is Elmo without the "L" because it was too emo to be typed out.

[tomselleck69]

goths dont have much money its just they STEAL alot of money plus they scare the crap out of most ppl....SCARY FACE DISCOUNTS RULE=)

O YEA IM NOT GOTH nut i like the cloths they wear.....
you are nuts.



How Do I Become Goth?
I hate to break it to you, but Goth is not something you can just learn. Gothic people grew up that way. Most people do not have the genuine sense of wonder, creativity, talent, open-mindedness, and appreciation of the duality of existence, nor of themselves and their abilities that makes a person genuinely Goth. While some of these things can be learned over the course of years, most of it can only be emulated. To emulate something strongly implies that the action is neither original nor genuine. That is just not Goth.

although that's a perfect description, i can't help but think it was written with tongue firmly plunged into cheek.

[Tavisha]

although that's a perfect description, i can't help but think it was written with tongue firmly plunged into cheek.

And that's exactly what I love about it as well. ^________^ It was still a very honest description~and besides, who wants to always be dead serious? *coughs*coughs*

[Drunken_butterfly]

my pleasure, i'm just sorry that more people don't read it! and it sucks that the original site doesn't work anymore :( oh well.

yeah emo is completely different, mostly people have a good idea of what it is, but google it, wiki it, or just ask around. mainly people will say it's goths gone wrong (which you all now know is wrong) or punks gone wrong (i'm not to nowledgable about punks) but mainly my perception of emo is that it's short for emotion(al) and it's people that often dress in black and/or dark possibly tight clothing and hang around in groups of other emos. another stereotypical sign of an emo is either/and/or lip rings, tongue piercing(s), nose rings, eyebrow rings etc.

another thing is that often alot of emos are quite depressed and thing about themselves alot and write poetry alot too (about themselves and their life) also (another alos i know) many emos practice self mutilation. these are just some of the ways that people refer to what emos are like.


i'm not saying in any way shape or form that all emos are like what i have just described and also personally i really dislike labels and wish they would all go away (but they won't).

[HAZ633]

A goth is a person who likes the darker side of things. They will wear black until they can find a darker colour. They don't drink blood those are people that have escaped mental homes do that...

[Tavisha]

if you are irrationally in love with the bauhaus, siouxsie, anne rice and the sandman, don't understand why people are "over" jhonen vasquez, accessorize in ankhs & hot topics keychains, don't see anything wrong with pleather pants, chances are you're a goth.

also dressing the part is key, unless you're over 30.

:::admires Love & Rockets ticket stub I carry around in my wallet with a signature & guitar pick from David J (Bauhaus);looks in mirror at self with half dyed pink hair ,black nail polish & black velvet dress; black mesh tights & blk/wht kitty-faced tredairs:::
I'm 40 ;P I don't think there's an age limit in what I like~
And I can't say anything about JV, just cuz we've been friends since he was 19~ "getting over" him doesn't count for me :D

[animevampire99]

there arnt they just do what they wanna

usually get drunk go to party and be really cool ^^
Wow that was stupid.....^_^ just messing with yah

[tomselleck69]

:::admires Love & Rockets ticket stub I carry around in my wallet with a signature & guitar pick from David J (Bauhaus);looks in mirror at self with half dyed pink hair ,black nail polish & black velvet dress; black mesh tights & blk/wht kitty-faced tredairs:::
I'm 40 ;P I don't think there's an age limit in what I like~
And I can't say anything about JV, just cuz we've been friends since he was 19~ "getting over" him doesn't count for me :D
i think that post was made a while ago in the heat of trying to make somebody else feel bad about not knowing something. of course several months later, it sounds dumb and pompous.

also, profound jealousy, because as much as i dislike his fans, i really do love jhonen's work and sense of humor/comic timing/etc/etc/etc/fanboy. i'm submitting my comics to a bunch of places, but slave labor is the dream, largely because of having been reintroduced into comics by jhonen's stuff--and all the positive full-circle life closure that fantasy involves.


and i'm jealous of your david j guitar pick, too.

[animevampire99]

Yes, I wish the preps at my school had the love that I (the popular prep) do for jhonen. I am new to my school but I was popular at my old school and I am starting to be at the new one lol but anyways I love his style, his disturbing and yet comical depiction of the human race, and how cool Gir is!! ^_^
I wish the non-aethist, tan from actually go outside of their rooms, AE and AF (american eagle and Abecrombie and Fitch) shoppers liked what I like!! I am a prep who is a totally gothic, and I don't mean emo I truly mean gothic, on the inside. Anyways, I gotta go to school so bye peoples ^_^

[Kaoru]

I am a prep who is totally gothic,
Boy is that an oxymoron.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

I had the gaul to be a goth once until my neighborhood totally went to the vandals.

[Tavisha]

I had the gaul to be a goth once until my neighborhood totally went to the vandals.
You mean the oldskool punk band (http://www.vandals.com/html/index.htm) right?:D

[tomselleck69]

josh freese actually drummed for the ancient germanic tribe as well.


guy gets around.

[Tavisha]

Yes, I wish the preps at my school had the love that I (the popular prep) do for jhonen. I am new to my school but I was popular at my old school and I am starting to be at the new one lol but anyways I love his style, his disturbing and yet comical depiction of the human race, and how cool Gir is!! ^_^
I wish the non-aethist, tan from actually go outside of their rooms, AE and AF (american eagle and Abecrombie and Fitch) shoppers liked what I like!! I am a prep who is a totally gothic, and I don't mean emo I truly mean gothic, on the inside. Anyways, I gotta go to school so bye peoples ^_^


:D Well, whatever you do, don't say you're a preppy goth (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=preppy+goth). I think the human race is disturbing and comical~JV just writes from life's little experiences. Good luck at your new school~!
And Rikki says Gir? Whoddat?! ;D

[binaryzero]

i was going to make my first post to this forum elsewhere but this whole thread seemed to good to pass up.

i'd like to thank Tavisha for some reason in here.
most of what i read tends to be half stereotype and half fashion marketing.

yes you can dress "preppy" and still consider yourself goth.
there's no rules other than what you place on yourself.

i've pretty much worn all black my whole life, it's easier to throw together an outfit that way.
i've never labeled myself anything along music culture lines because if makes a bleeping or whirring sound, i'll dance to it.
(how else does one describe a music collection ranging from kraftwerk to skinny puppy to autechre to trance?)
but something happened in the mid 90's: people started throwing the word goth to describe anything that seemed 'dark'
what does Slipknot have anything to do with Peter Murphy?
answer: none. it was an easy term for music journalists unfamiliar with musical genres. just as quickly it became an easy marketing term for clothing chains.
(the store is called 'hot topic' for a reason, it jumps on trends.)
the term "goth" gets thrown around heavily but yet it doesn't seem to stick to certain things like mimes or priests.
they both wear all black.
mimes wear a huge amount of makeup and eyeliner.
priests, especially christian ones have some pretty dark tales to tell you from the bible, are they goth?

you can't judge a book by it's cover, but i think you can judge it based on it's cliff's notes.

p.s. - the name's Arick, glad to meet you folks. :D

[tomselleck69]

And Rikki says Gir? Whoddat?! ;D
that poor man... he must have to suffer through so much Gir-related harrassment.

[MetalMouth]

if you are irrationally in love with the bauhaus, siouxsie, anne rice and the sandman, don't understand why people are "over" jhonen vasquez, accessorize in ankhs & hot topics keychains, don't see anything wrong with pleather pants, chances are you're a goth.

also dressing the part is key, unless you're over 30.

I love this post.
It seems like most "goths" these days think that goth music is My Chemical Romance.

[KrypticHunter]

All you need is pale white skin, black hair, black eyes, black lipstick, black nail polish, black clothes, several piercings, a whole lot of metal and chains, and the intent to commit suicide.
Just a joke if anybody takes this seriously.

[TonightMidnight]

Goth is whatever you want it to be. Seriously...there's no one definition for ANYTHING anymore.

[binaryzero]

no definitions anymore?
do you realize how much that's gonna fark up all known languages?

you have definitions for a reason, otherwise it's a useless sound or string of letters that means absolutely nothing. it would collapse organization at all levels as well.

[tomselleck69]

no definitions anymore?
do you realize how much that's gonna fark up all known languages?

you have definitions for a reason, otherwise it's a useless sound or string of letters that means absolutely nothing. it would collapse organization at all levels as well.
aww come on, what she meant was obvious.

[Ichigosmiles]

Everyone thinks gothic is satanic, but it's actually the opposite.

[binaryzero]

aww come on, what she meant was obvious.

yeah and that's the direction it's going.
there's just certain accepted descriptions to things in this world.
and saying to just forget it really screws up it's purpose.

all form, zero function.

[YamPuff]

Ok, so let me get this straight. We shouldn't sterotypes goths. They do not necessarily have to be sad and suicidal. They do not have to wear black and chains. They don't have to be loners and keep to themselves. They are not statanic. Goth can be whatever they want goth to be. Am I right?

SO WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY?!?

[Tavisha]

Ok, so let me get this straight. We shouldn't sterotypes goths. They do not necessarily have to be sad and suicidal. They do not have to wear black and chains. They don't have to be loners and keep to themselves. They are not statanic. Goth can be whatever they want goth to be. Am I right?

SO WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY?!?

A lot of them are free-thinking, creative-type intellectuals. Not to be confused with pretension. We just firmly know what we like and are never afraid to express it. This type of free expression is not a trend for us, its a lifestyle~ it just happens. ^__________^

[binaryzero]

but Tavisha doesn't that make any free spirit goth?

obviously there's a certain amount of guidelines yet exceptions to those guidelines. there's a strong pull towards those concepts or there wouldn't be stereotyping.
i mean it's there for a reason, a high percentage follows it.

so what we're looking for is an indeterminate number of things you need to follow to be Goth, or any lifestyle labelling really.

shows how nutty and mismanaged humanity is...

[GothicLullaby]

Goth today is not what it used to be. The meaning of the word has mutated into a shadow of its former glory.

If you want to know what goth was and still is follow this link and after you follow it google what you need. It is a bit of history, it might bore some of you to tears. You will probably not find it at hot topic.

http://rozzwilliams.com/

If you are the least bit interested in the music you can even hear samples on amazon.com.

[binaryzero]

Rozz took the joke "i'm so goth i'm dead" literally. ;)

it's a shame most of Mick Mercer's photo books don't have an online gallery.
showing what the "scene" looked like through the last couple of decades could be nice for the kids.

[YamPuff]

I don't mean to offend but this is all very silly. Goth by the definitions I've read on this thread is utterly meaningless. There is no way to be goth because there is no set definition for it. The 'free-thinking' doesn't cut it either because anyone can be free-thinking. I think in the quest for not stereotyping you just ended up with nothing instead. *shrug*

[YamPuff]

I don't mean to offend but this is all very silly. Goth by the definitions I've read on this thread is utterly meaningless. There is no way to be goth because there is no set definition for it. The 'free-thinking' doesn't cut it either because anyone can be free-thinking. I think in the quest for not stereotyping you just ended up with nothing instead. *shrug*

[Tavisha]

but Tavisha doesn't that make any free spirit goth?

obviously there's a certain amount of guidelines yet exceptions to those guidelines. there's a strong pull towards those concepts or there wouldn't be stereotyping.
i mean it's there for a reason, a high percentage follows it.

so what we're looking for is an indeterminate number of things you need to follow to be Goth, or any lifestyle labelling really.

shows how nutty and mismanaged humanity is...

(sorry for such a late reply here everyone)
I didn't say it made any free spirit goth~ I was just saying its one of the qualities I've found in goths. >____<*** I don't like the word guidelines~ because that implies rules...I don't think there's any set "rules" for people in the gothic community. I think if there's any similarities, such as wearing black, or listening to the same music, its not coming from any set rules~ but rather just like-minded thinking. Basically, many goths just happen to like black and the same type of music, but there's no rules or set guidelines that you have to wear black or must listen to a certain band just to be goth.


I don't mean to offend but this is all very silly. Goth by the definitions I've read on this thread is utterly meaningless. There is no way to be goth because there is no set definition for it. The 'free-thinking' doesn't cut it either because anyone can be free-thinking. I think in the quest for not stereotyping you just ended up with nothing instead. *shrug*

Well, being part of the subculture isn't meaningless to us. :D I find its very fun~(never a dull moment),creative and intellectually rewarding. For me, being a goth is more a philosophy in life than a side freak show. I do think its silly if someone wakes up one day and says; "I think I'll become goth today based on what I was told it was all about". Because if you are goth ~you just *are* and you don't have to be told anything about it. You usually gradually grow into it and if you are a true goth, you never grow out of it. For instance, I've pinpointed my first simple gothic loves at an early age~ when I was 3 I loved playing with those hinged paper skeletons (I just thought they were adorable) and rubber bats & spiders~ I couldn't wait for Halloween when we could carve pumpkins and dress in costumes and run around the neighborhood in the dark with glowsticks and flashlights~as a kid, I loved Halloween even more than Christmas~! People in the gothic communities discovered the movement based on our own likes,dislikes, beliefs and decisions. And it all has personal meaning for us. ^____^ You just are or aren't~ and trying to explain it to most who aren't is near impossible. But stereo typing it or not~ it still is *something*. For me, its just the love and celebration for the darker; more macabre things in life.

Goth today is not what it used to be. The meaning of the word has mutated into a shadow of its former glory.
If you want to know what goth was and still is follow this link and after you follow it google what you need. It is a bit of history, it might bore some of you to tears. You will probably not find it at hot topic.
http://rozzwilliams.com/
If you are the least bit interested in the music you can even hear samples on amazon.com.

Speaking of good old Rozz, after his death I made a little tribute in an old drawing I did back in 1999 (http://www.artconspiracy.com/gallery_item.aspx?area=eye&itemid=29850&id=2144105709&category=). I even kept some old flyers of him from the Shadow Project days~ ^__________^

[TonightMidnight]

Ah...there is never an answer to these type of things. Never.

Unfortunately there will be stereo-types about everything and everyone until the world ends. And let's not forget...stereo-types have some truth to them. You can't get something from nothing.

[binaryzero]

Tavisha: i was just busting balls.

i just find humanity funny, it's like we have subconcious rules to things or subcultures.
you can't say how much you need to be identified as something, but one can certainly spot when someone isn't something, right?

a Glittergal90 put it: stereotypes do have some truth to them, or they wouldn't be stereotypes. that's the fun thing about fashion or subcultures, we're not supposed to have guidelines, but if we didn't how could we identify anything?

and to close this post:

i never could get into Rozz Williams, give me Andrew Eldritch any day of the week.

[Tavisha]

Tavisha: i was just busting balls.

i just find humanity funny, it's like we have subconcious rules to things or subcultures.
you can't say how much you need to be identified as something, but one can certainly spot when someone isn't something, right?

Humanity *IS* funny~ >_____^ ***yep~ no matter how they look, I usually can spot when someone is off by their personality/attitude. Not to mention the plastic black capes and fake blood give them away everytime....

a Glittergal90 put it: stereotypes do have some truth to them, or they wouldn't be stereotypes. that's the fun thing about fashion or subcultures, we're not supposed to have guidelines, but if we didn't how could we identify anything?

I still like to view it all as personal creative values that happen upon other like-minded people~ rather than using words like "guidelines" or "stereotype" ^______^

and to close this post:
i never could get into Rozz Williams, give me Andrew Eldritch any day of the week.

Ooooh~ I love Sisters Of Mercy too and was lucky to catch them on their Floodland tour in LA waaaay back in the early 90's. As for Rozz Williams, he was one of those gothic LA icons, so growing up with him appearing at the local clubs was my nostalgia even more so than his music. Acoustics were pretty crappy in the small club venues then, so being there was the thrill rather than trying to sort out the live music from the vocals. Alien Sex Fiend was proably theeee worst live I've ever experienced~ but it was still fun just being there. Then again, local band, Ex-Voto could always pull off a great live show. XD My absolute favorite spooky bands of the times was Bauhaus, The Cure,and Siouxie Sioux and my all-time 80's icon obsession is still Marc Almond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Almond). Go fig~Marc is classified as electronic/dark wave/cabaret, but I love his raw & gritty take on the sordid subjects in his songs. He is quite the character~:D

[Hakkai2]

I guess it really just denpend on what you think of it. Sure i like wearing black clothes sometimes but does that make me goth??? It jsut comes down to what people think.

[Nekochii]

Goth is a type of lifestyle, just like emos, rockers, and ginos have their own lifestyle. All of those groups have their own subculture with their individual style and taste in music. Sure goths can be creative and individual, but so can non goths. To me it's just a style of clothing, music, and a more dark and romantic view on life. Does it have to be anymore than that?

[binaryzero]

ooh ooh!!!

what the hell is a gino?

for as close as i am to Canada, i'm not familiar with that term.

[Nekochii]

ooh ooh!!!

what the hell is a gino?
It's a term used for someone who wears lots of tight fitting clothes (mainly Kappa products) and listens to techno music. They usually tend to be of Italian or European descent.

[Tavisha]

Goth is a type of lifestyle, just like emos, rockers, and ginos have their own lifestyle. All of those groups have their own subculture with their individual style and taste in music. Sure goths can be creative and individual, but so can non goths. To me it's just a style of clothing, music, and a more dark and romantic view on life. Does it have to be anymore than that?

I agree~it is a lifestyle & it has developed its own subculture and it doesn't have to be anything more or less. Everyone has their own personal reasons for living the way they choose.

Also, just to clear up anyone who might think that goths are only going to hang out with other goths~ Of course, I also have plently of creative friends who share similar views on life and have many things in common with and *gasp* they aren't wearing black or have a dozen tatoos & piercings. ^_______^

[*Sakurafairy*]

you worry too damn much. Lots of people call me a goth but I never have dressed in any way that peer groups or fashion dictates. I probally would say if i had to label myself id be like a renaissance goth, more elegance and sweeping things than those little tweemos in the tiny mix and match outfits.

[Jacku]

Someone posted this whatchamacallit that was sent to her on another forum.

Presented by St. Mary's Church Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your child may have gone astray from the Lord. Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture thatyoung teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child.
-Frequently wears black clothing.
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nail polish.
-Wears any odd silver jewelry or symbols.
-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.
-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
-Takes drugs.
-Drinks alcohol.
-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)
-Complains of boredom.
-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
-Is excessively awake during the night.
-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
-Spends large amounts of time alone.
-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)
-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult. -Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.
-Misbehaves at school.
-Misbehaves at home.
-Eats excessively or too little
-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.
-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)
-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.
-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer. -Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.
-Expresses an interest in sex.
-Masturbates.
-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
-Claims to be a goth.
If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.
~St. Mary's Catholic Church

Count Dracula cereal... Haha.

[nana0iro0miso]

i read that a few years back!! XD sooo hilarious~

[Tavisha]

-Complains of boredom.

That's it peeps~ according to this list, we're all damned to hell now~!!! XD I was born and raised Catholic and my family never gave me any hassles for the way I chose to dress~then again, I was most certainly not partaking in vampirism and drinking any blood. OOOooooooo, but I did enjoy me some Count Dracula cereal when I was little. Should I BE WORRIED?!!! *not*

>______<*** and Jacku, the way this person thinks, I'm so surprised that "reading Harry Potter" isn't on their lame list~

[Jacku]

Let's not even discuss Harry Potter which I love so I must worship the devil. :rolleyes:

"I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth"
I've never heard anyone ever say those things. *shudder*

[Tavisha]

Let's not even discuss Harry Potter which I love so I must worship the devil. :rolleyes:


I've never heard anyone ever say those things. *shudder*

I love HP toooo~! ^______^ And the ONLY time when I've heard stuff like that said is when my friends and I are just joking around and being sarcastic, etc. ~ I swear I think these type of people often misread sarcasms and jokes and twist them into being something literal and serious in their small little minds. >_______<*** I have to keep reminding myself a lot of people don't really take sarcasms well.

[Jacku]

I'd smack anyone who'd say that and actually meant that.

I'm dead = I'm tired.
woe is me = I'm having a bad day.

Or... Whatever.

[Yuna19]

all the goths I have seen wear complete black, they wear black lipstick, they draw something weird under their right or left eye?, they wear trench coats, tall black boots, and have a chain I guess hanging off thier pants.... I am not a goth... I just think they are different... and I just don't plan on hang out with people who listen to depressing music....

[Nekochii]

I only know three people who are not just goths, but punk goths. Most punk goths I see wear lots of bright colours like pink and red mixed in with their black clothes and dye their hair bright colours, and even like cute things plushies and Hello Kitty. Makes me wonder if it even counts as goth.

[Tavisha]

I only know three people who are not just goths, but punk goths. Most punk goths I see wear lots of bright colours like pink and red mixed in with their black clothes and dye their hair bright colours, and even like cute things plushies and Hello Kitty. Makes me wonder if it even counts as goth.

Of course it counts~ another old term for us who like the spooky cute & electric colors mixed with our black is perky goth~ ^______^ And from what I've seen called "punk" these days is eons different from the old skool punk I grew up with. :D

[binaryzero]

and I just don't plan on hang out with people who listen to depressing music....

but isn't most music???
i mean the majority of verse/chorus/verse music is lost relationships or yearning for someone you can't connect with.
it doesn't matter if it's written in major or minor chords, if you read the lyrics it's still depressing.

from the backstreet boys to the police to garth brooks to AFI to vnv nation...

except hip hop, and no offense most of it on the radio doesn't tell a story.

people use music as a release, a primal scream, therapy, if you want happy friendly shiznittle 24/7 you might as well pop in a Raffi album.

[Tavisha]

but isn't most music???
i mean the majority of verse/chorus/verse music is lost relationships or yearning for someone you can't connect with.
it doesn't matter if it's written in major or minor chords, if you read the lyrics it's still depressing.
from the backstreet boys to the police to garth brooks to AFI to vnv nation...
except hip hop, and no offense most of it on the radio doesn't tell a story.
people use music as a release, a primal scream, therapy, if you want happy friendly shiznittle 24/7 you might as well pop in a Raffi album.

It really just goes down to how one perceives the music~ what might bring one down might be outright inspirational and enlightening to another. I know some who can't listen to say, Radiohead without feeling depressed after one song~ but their music has an opposite effect on me and I find myself feeling more creative and ready to take on the entire world~ XD but, if I had to listen to Raffi?~(no offense to Raffi & his fans) but for me, THAT'S depressing~!

[YamPuff]

I prefer Rosenshantz myself.

[Jacku]

I listen to what others might consider to be "depressing" music (though not all the time) and I do not identify myself as goth.

[nikitia]

all the goths I have seen wear complete black, they wear black lipstick, they draw something weird under their right or left eye?, they wear trench coats, tall black boots, and have a chain I guess hanging off thier pants.... I am not a goth... I just think they are different... and I just don't plan on hang out with people who listen to depressing music....


hey i dressed like that, minus the makeup, and boots...i wasn't goth (scary now and then yes, but only if i didn't like you, goth no) i smiled and laughed too much, and gave advice.

[Vicious1]

goth is when people lose touch with humanity

[Nekochii]

goth is when people lose touch with humanity
And convert to vampirism. :p

[Ichigosmiles]

goth is when people lose touch with humanity

And same with lots of other "ways of life"...

[Tavisha]

goth is when people lose touch with humanity

Right, I'm so out of touch with humanity~ that's why I create a graphic novel series with TokyoPop for people aka humanity to enjoy and go to as many anime conventions and local social events as posible to meet people and interact with humanity. Not to mention I post here to all humanity. XD Please tell me you were joking~

[YamPuff]

According to this thread, goth isn't anything.

[Aratos]

So.

Goth = nothing
humanity = something
something =/= nothing
Goth =/= humanity.
revisionist vampire ideas = idiot.

So in short, uh, goths are indeed inhuman.

No, wait, that can't be right.

[YamPuff]

Well, until they tell us what goth is, I wish they'd stop telling us what it isn't. Maybe goths are inhuman.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Goth is chopsticks in hair.

[Ichigosmiles]

Goth is chopsticks in hair.

lol, what?

[Aratos]

Well, until they tell us what goth is, I wish they'd stop telling us what it isn't. Maybe goths are inhuman.

Well they're certainly barbarians.

...Sorry. That joke was awful, even for me.

[Nekochii]

Goth is chopsticks in hair.
I think I've done that once.

[YamPuff]

Goth is chopsticks in hair.
Quoted for truth. XD


I mean, if you're American its because you were born in America or your parents are America (or another reason i don't know of). If you're a blond you have blond hair. Novels and music have genres that may have sub genres but all have something in common. You can't write a book about a soppy romance between two high school kids and call it a Mystery. A yaoi fangirl is a girl who likes yaoi. There's a reason for labels and genres.

What I'm trying to understand is, what is the point of being goth if it doesn't even have a basic outline? A yaoi famgirl who doesn't like yaoi is NOT a yaoi fangirl, even if she somehow in her mind thinks she is.

[Aratos]

It's called non-conformity. By conforming to a social group that isn't hte mainstream, you make yourself believe you're somehow expressing individuality.

[Tavisha]

Well, until they tell us what goth is, I wish they'd stop telling us what it isn't. Maybe goths are inhuman.

I need to know~ What is Yampuff? I thought it was just a japanese snack. XD But really, what *IS* Yampuff, Yampuff? :D

What I'm trying to understand is, what is the point of being goth if it doesn't even have a basic outline? A yaoi famgirl who doesn't like yaoi is NOT a yaoi fangirl, even if she somehow in her mind thinks she is.

You're absolutely right~! ^_______^ There is no point because apparently its not FOR you. What I don't understand is why all the fuss? Who cares? Why does it command your attention when its not your thing? I didn't learn how to be goth from a list of Do's and Don'ts ~I just happened to find others of similar sensibilities~I can't speak for others, but for me it just *happened* and from what I could tell, it started at a very early age. ^________^

What is a goth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth)? In a very broad general sense, its usually someone who enjoys the more macabre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macabre) things in "life"~ and that it generally has a reflection on how they dress, what they watch and listen to and what they might create.

[Nekochii]

One thing I've learned is that simply wearing black all the time doesn't make you goth. I had a friend who use to wear nothing but black. Not because she wanted to be goth, but because she believed wearing black clothing made her look skinnier.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Goth is not liking lamps. :P

[binaryzero]

goth is when people lose touch with humanity

no, no, no that's Cybermen.

unless they're Mondasian or Telosian Cybermen then they're semi-human,
close enough to share organs, blood, and replacement cybernetic parts and programming. but what do you expect when your planet was Earth's twin and you spiralled out of our solar system?

then again Cybermen could be goth, i mean they do have those teardrops on the sides of their eyes?

i believe the cybermen and hot topic share the same slogan as well:

"you will become like us."

[Aratos]

What is a goth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth)? In a very broad general sense, its usually someone who enjoys the more macabre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macabre) things in "life"~ and that it generally has a reflection on how they dress, what they watch and listen to and what they might create.

Enjoys the macabre?

Oh god, I'm a goth. Except that can't be right. Agh! Bloody generalisations.

[WilliamRLBaker]

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-05,GGLD:en&pwst=1&defl=en&q=define:goth&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

http://www.goth.net/goth.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/goth.htm

These are all definitions the top being official the next 2 being more....romanticized.

In reality goth is simply some one dark wearing dark clothes, dark hair, dark makeup...ect liking dark music and dark activities, they want to be different and say we'll i'm being different.
But in reality they are being sheep and falling into a sub culture alot of people do it, there is no such thing as true individuality, free will is but an illusion and we like to think we have it and make are own choices but every thing we do and say is influenced by what is around us.

[Aratos]

there is no such thing as true individuality, free will is but an illusion and we like to think we have it and make are own choices but every thing we do and say is influenced by what is around us.

Speak for yourself.

[nana0iro0miso]

^ XD i was about to say, i like to think of myself as an individual. i gots my own special category =D

[binaryzero]

What is a goth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth)? In a very broad general sense, its usually someone who enjoys the more macabre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macabre) things in "life"~ and that it generally has a reflection on how they dress, what they watch and listen to and what they might create.

as Aratos pointed out, that pretty much condemns anyone who's ever liked a black comedy.
heck by that logic i'm goth simply for my job as a makeup effect artist.
(and the fact i only have solid employment for the halloween season)

god i love playing around with these guidelines too much...

[Tavisha]

as Aratos pointed out, that pretty much condemns anyone who's ever liked a black comedy.
heck by that logic i'm goth simply for my job as a makeup effect artist.
(and the fact i only have solid employment for the halloween season)

god i love playing around with these guidelines too much...

Exactly~ but the post was giving a base "guideline" for Yampuff who seems to think goth is *NOTHING* unless its pigeoned holed into something she can understand. XD So, the best I could do was give her the Muggles explaination.

Enjoys the macabre?
Oh god, I'm a goth. Except that can't be right. Agh! Bloody generalisations.

There, there, its ok~ there's a little goth in all of us. There's nothing to fear~ :D

[SweetNymph]

I think I'm slowly easing into the Goth style, if not the entire image.

Then again, the only Goth's I ever talk to are the people who work at Hot Topic and that cute little scary shop I just found near the library. They are total sweethearts! <3

That being said, I've noticed that I'm acquiring a lot of black shirts, and was just thinking about getting a new belt and a collar to match my black kitty ears from that previously mentioned store. The thought of stompy black shoes made me notice the unusual fashion choices (for me. I usually wear various shades of blue).

Too bad they dont' make headphones with kitty ears.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Goth is never having to say you're sorry.

Or something.

[Dreamcomicmaker]

I think Gothic's are romantic and dangerously sexy, I don't know why but I think the color black on a hot young man just makes me stare... Yeah, my friends say I have a gothic mind... and I was once called gothic by an idiot while wearing pink. Funny huh, I think it just depends on the person. You can love the stlye but hate the life style or visrsa versa. Defenitions vary from person to person....

[Dreamcomicmaker]

I think I'm slowly easing into the Goth style, if not the entire image.

Then again, the only Goth's I ever talk to are the people who work at Hot Topic and that cute little scary shop I just found near the library. They are total sweethearts! <3

That being said, I've noticed that I'm acquiring a lot of black shirts, and was just thinking about getting a new belt and a collar to match my black kitty ears from that previously mentioned store. The thought of stompy black shoes made me notice the unusual fashion choices (for me. I usually wear various shades of blue).

Too bad they dont' make headphones with kitty ears.
Yeah, that would be super cute headphones.

[animefever]

I consider it dark, spooky, evil, wishing for death and yeah. :)

[PururinEleven]

I've been called gothic many times just becasue I wear a lot of black and happen to be Pagan (which is what my mother raised us with so I couldn't really help that). I don't even know what Goth really is. I do know however, that it's the name of a horror trivia game I have (that has questions that have nothing to do with horror trivia which is totally stupid). And I know that really all-out goths wear really white make up, black eyeliner, nailpolish and lipstick, wear lots of black, platforms, ect., like that one couple I ran into in Hot Topic one time.... and then ran into again a few minutes later as they were coming out of Old Navy. :P

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Goth is a Hot Topic's wet dream.

[memechan]

I think there are different types of goths... Hot topic goths, kids who look like their walking advertisements for the store are the ones I've been seeing a lot of... But their not the only types of goth style out there, I know a few "goths" who absolutely hate the store hot topic, they don't dress anything like the hot topic kids. And I'm sure there are a few other types as well.

I don't know.... Labels confuse the hell outta me. =/

~Meme~

[binaryzero]

I don't know.... Labels confuse the hell outta me. =/

tell me about it.

there's like 2 dozen different sub genres of drum n bass and like about 3,000 different types of metal.
then again that's music. but at the same time that's very heavily factored into fashion.

explain to me this one people: why is it that goth nights at clubs don't actually play goth?

they spin industrial, ebm, and synthpop, but hardly ever any goth?