tsukasa
03-21-2006, 09:11 PM
I'm late on this thead, curse my laziness, I like David Lynch seen most of his movies, he's a great directory.
But all this bullshit about george lucas, I just feel like I have to clear it up. I'm a hardcore star wars fan. First off, George lucas himself is a crappy director, he can't direct ****. The fact is that he just produced and wrote the skrippt for the first 3 star wars movies (he directed parts of ep 4). The others he hired people to direct. One of the people he asked to direct for him was david lynch but he declined. George Lucas is not a director, he's a producer, great diff. That clears it up a bit and quite frankly I'm to lazy to write anything more about this, if you want to know more, google it.
I take it that you don't like the new trilogy?
Nope. I don't like it one bit.
That explains the rant against Lucas.
Why didn't you like the films? - do not say Jar Jar - that is a crap excuse - everyone hated him!
Did you see all 3?
I saw and own all 3, my main reasons for disliking the movies is that firstly, the plot is not as good as in the earlier movies, it feels like he made it to appeal to a great audience, in an attempt to satesfy everyone, hence also making it totally and utterly uninterresting.
My second major objection against the movies (apart from that the plots simply sucks) is that george lucas depends to much on the new technology, he appears to have been charmed by what the 3D artists can create with computers, don't get me wrong, my hat is off to them, but the 3D stuff for star wars simply sucks. This means that the movies lose a lot of precence and that they don't appear trustworthy anymore, one of the major things I liked with the orgininal star wars movies was that since everyone was people in costumes it had feeling. The new ones simply don't. Also, the 3D art itself does not look trustworth, they've spent to much time on making it into "eye-joy" hence removing any of the orgininal characters (like yodas,( even though he was puppet that could only move his head in the first movie he was in) are now simply empty, they don't look like living creatures anymore, rather as animated little fellas popping into an over animated movie with so few human actors it's hard to take seriously.Ffirst he removes the presence in the characters then he degrades them with unworhty and stale dialog) Star wars has gone from a master piece to a pile of stinking mainstream crapp.
ok -
first - stale acting - have you wathed the OT - it's the same kind of acting, if not worse!!
second - besides kill the empire what plot was there in the OT? there was none till the end of TESB! and most of ROTJ was so bad the only time plot came into that dead film was after Luke and Leia talk about parentage.
third - George and ILM defined and created visual fx and CGI!
OT? I've been thinking for a while and I can seriously not figure out what this referes to... I do admit that the acting in the orginal movies wasn't topily topidy top. But there still was feeling in them you got a sense of that the stuff actaully ment something to them, even though, yes for the most part they where horrible actors.. You're still not making any sense at all though.
I still dunno what OT is, the forth ep is called "A new hope" so it can't be that which you're refering to, I just can't make all this make sense, TESB and ROTJ seems like the empire strikes back and return of the jedi though.
If you can say all that, have you made an analasyses of the movie? Have you seen it scene by scene and drawn paralels, tried to find a deeper meaning?
Do you even know how you make a real analasys of a movie, (I don't mean that junk you do in highschool, I mean the real deal)? From your post it doesn't seem so...
Hmmmm, no. This actually talks in my favourite, you admit that in the old days they knew what they where doing, and as I said. My hat is off to them. But they're usage of the new 3D art is tacky and tastelss. As I said, they've focused to much on making it "eye-joy" instead of trying to create a credible image of something. They used to lead the development, I give you that, but nowadays there are others who are doing stuff far better then they are. They're fallen giants.
OT means Original Trilogy.
and u proved my point with the stale acting!
A New Hope was/is the most boring of all 6 films. there was nothing going on in that movie except for:
1 - Obi-Wan dying.
2 - It being stated that Palpatine now controls the entire galaxy/universe, and his disbandment of the Senate.
TESB - Luke gets trained, luke finds out about Daddy Vader.
ROTJ - Death Star blown up, Plapatine killed by Anakin, End of the Empire, Luke and Leia Reunited as brother/sister.
There is no deeper meaning anywhere in these movies. Watch them in order 1 2 3 4 5 6. there is nothing we dont already know about before ANH starts. The movies are boring. they are great, I grew up with them, but they are boring.
The FX were top-notch in each and every film. Fallen Giants huh, that is why nearly every film to date asks ILM to do the FX for them. They needed to show that an entire Universe was there and not just a few small backwater planets, what better way to make impressive landscapes than with the most detailed imagery. So what that it was CGI, it looked damn great. Better than anything else out there. Plus do you really expect George to put people in danger by filming in a freaking valcano? Come on! there was no other way to do that scene!
You have no clue what you're talking about what so ever, I feel like I'm talking to a brick here, I ask you to read between the lines/find paralelse and you give me this crapp? Seriously? Are you trying to make me laugh at you?
As for the FX, they aren't top notch, I've seen far better stuff that looks far more credible. You have to understand, that the main object with creating FXs is to making them believable, they have to look real. They simply don't in the new star wars movies. That's a failure, they can be as advanced as they want to and a glittery you want, if you don't believe what you see, it's just expensive junk.
Landscapes? hmmm *looks out his window* You're right, we obiously have no other way of doing them.... Silly me....
But you might bring up the city scenes, they where surpsingly good, but I still have the major problem here, most of the stuff looks new, like they bought it last monday and they're taking it out for a test spin. Nothing of the dented, worndown, feel that I loved in the orginal movies. Simply, doesn't look credible. I'm sticking with my previews statement but I'm going to rephrase it so you can udnerstand it "george lucas is to busy sucking his own **** to realise that what he does simply doesn't look real anymore".
The volcano scence and the space scene in the beginning (and a few others) are totally and utter unrealistic, they break so many physcial laws, I've lost count. Not that they orginal movies always obied the laws of physics but they darn well more often did and never ever they they break any major laws, like for instance NOT burning up when taking a damage space ship through the atmospher....
Also, detail != Good quality. Look out your window, can you see every grass straw in the wind? No? If you can I envy you. It's the same making 3D, why can I clearly see every little grass straw that is supposidly quite far away? And why are they shinny?! *Looks out on the pale matt grass* Yeah.. it sure looks shinny...
Buttom line, the goal with FX is to make it look credible, not to show off your balls in order to show off.
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But all this bullshit about george lucas, I just feel like I have to clear it up. I'm a hardcore star wars fan. First off, George lucas himself is a crappy director, he can't direct ****. The fact is that he just produced and wrote the skrippt for the first 3 star wars movies (he directed parts of ep 4). The others he hired people to direct. One of the people he asked to direct for him was david lynch but he declined. George Lucas is not a director, he's a producer, great diff. That clears it up a bit and quite frankly I'm to lazy to write anything more about this, if you want to know more, google it.
I take it that you don't like the new trilogy?
Nope. I don't like it one bit.
That explains the rant against Lucas.
Why didn't you like the films? - do not say Jar Jar - that is a crap excuse - everyone hated him!
Did you see all 3?
I saw and own all 3, my main reasons for disliking the movies is that firstly, the plot is not as good as in the earlier movies, it feels like he made it to appeal to a great audience, in an attempt to satesfy everyone, hence also making it totally and utterly uninterresting.
My second major objection against the movies (apart from that the plots simply sucks) is that george lucas depends to much on the new technology, he appears to have been charmed by what the 3D artists can create with computers, don't get me wrong, my hat is off to them, but the 3D stuff for star wars simply sucks. This means that the movies lose a lot of precence and that they don't appear trustworthy anymore, one of the major things I liked with the orgininal star wars movies was that since everyone was people in costumes it had feeling. The new ones simply don't. Also, the 3D art itself does not look trustworth, they've spent to much time on making it into "eye-joy" hence removing any of the orgininal characters (like yodas,( even though he was puppet that could only move his head in the first movie he was in) are now simply empty, they don't look like living creatures anymore, rather as animated little fellas popping into an over animated movie with so few human actors it's hard to take seriously.Ffirst he removes the presence in the characters then he degrades them with unworhty and stale dialog) Star wars has gone from a master piece to a pile of stinking mainstream crapp.
ok -
first - stale acting - have you wathed the OT - it's the same kind of acting, if not worse!!
second - besides kill the empire what plot was there in the OT? there was none till the end of TESB! and most of ROTJ was so bad the only time plot came into that dead film was after Luke and Leia talk about parentage.
third - George and ILM defined and created visual fx and CGI!
OT? I've been thinking for a while and I can seriously not figure out what this referes to... I do admit that the acting in the orginal movies wasn't topily topidy top. But there still was feeling in them you got a sense of that the stuff actaully ment something to them, even though, yes for the most part they where horrible actors.. You're still not making any sense at all though.
I still dunno what OT is, the forth ep is called "A new hope" so it can't be that which you're refering to, I just can't make all this make sense, TESB and ROTJ seems like the empire strikes back and return of the jedi though.
If you can say all that, have you made an analasyses of the movie? Have you seen it scene by scene and drawn paralels, tried to find a deeper meaning?
Do you even know how you make a real analasys of a movie, (I don't mean that junk you do in highschool, I mean the real deal)? From your post it doesn't seem so...
Hmmmm, no. This actually talks in my favourite, you admit that in the old days they knew what they where doing, and as I said. My hat is off to them. But they're usage of the new 3D art is tacky and tastelss. As I said, they've focused to much on making it "eye-joy" instead of trying to create a credible image of something. They used to lead the development, I give you that, but nowadays there are others who are doing stuff far better then they are. They're fallen giants.
OT means Original Trilogy.
and u proved my point with the stale acting!
A New Hope was/is the most boring of all 6 films. there was nothing going on in that movie except for:
1 - Obi-Wan dying.
2 - It being stated that Palpatine now controls the entire galaxy/universe, and his disbandment of the Senate.
TESB - Luke gets trained, luke finds out about Daddy Vader.
ROTJ - Death Star blown up, Plapatine killed by Anakin, End of the Empire, Luke and Leia Reunited as brother/sister.
There is no deeper meaning anywhere in these movies. Watch them in order 1 2 3 4 5 6. there is nothing we dont already know about before ANH starts. The movies are boring. they are great, I grew up with them, but they are boring.
The FX were top-notch in each and every film. Fallen Giants huh, that is why nearly every film to date asks ILM to do the FX for them. They needed to show that an entire Universe was there and not just a few small backwater planets, what better way to make impressive landscapes than with the most detailed imagery. So what that it was CGI, it looked damn great. Better than anything else out there. Plus do you really expect George to put people in danger by filming in a freaking valcano? Come on! there was no other way to do that scene!
You have no clue what you're talking about what so ever, I feel like I'm talking to a brick here, I ask you to read between the lines/find paralelse and you give me this crapp? Seriously? Are you trying to make me laugh at you?
As for the FX, they aren't top notch, I've seen far better stuff that looks far more credible. You have to understand, that the main object with creating FXs is to making them believable, they have to look real. They simply don't in the new star wars movies. That's a failure, they can be as advanced as they want to and a glittery you want, if you don't believe what you see, it's just expensive junk.
Landscapes? hmmm *looks out his window* You're right, we obiously have no other way of doing them.... Silly me....
But you might bring up the city scenes, they where surpsingly good, but I still have the major problem here, most of the stuff looks new, like they bought it last monday and they're taking it out for a test spin. Nothing of the dented, worndown, feel that I loved in the orginal movies. Simply, doesn't look credible. I'm sticking with my previews statement but I'm going to rephrase it so you can udnerstand it "george lucas is to busy sucking his own **** to realise that what he does simply doesn't look real anymore".
The volcano scence and the space scene in the beginning (and a few others) are totally and utter unrealistic, they break so many physcial laws, I've lost count. Not that they orginal movies always obied the laws of physics but they darn well more often did and never ever they they break any major laws, like for instance NOT burning up when taking a damage space ship through the atmospher....
Also, detail != Good quality. Look out your window, can you see every grass straw in the wind? No? If you can I envy you. It's the same making 3D, why can I clearly see every little grass straw that is supposidly quite far away? And why are they shinny?! *Looks out on the pale matt grass* Yeah.. it sure looks shinny...
Buttom line, the goal with FX is to make it look credible, not to show off your balls in order to show off.
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